luka

Well-known member
honestly didnt do any others except maybe i did craner saw a girl naked. cant remember. defineitely did craner had sex with a girl though
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
But as they say later in that review, 'towards' can mean pretty much anything at any speed, and is a significant stepdown from what Republicans/Trump were promising (obviously enough). What puzzles a bit is what the promises written in that document mean at all given the absence of international law and KJU's disregard for it (and Trump's for that matter)

Don't think Kim Jong-Un has forgotten about what happened to Gaddafi, Saddam etc

Wish we could see a transcript of the meeting tho
 

firefinga

Well-known member
A typcial "Trump" - nothign substantial, just some "memorandum of understanding" type. Yet, he is in the headlines, Ego is being bloated, mission acomplished!
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
From Rebecca Solnit:

It will not be enough until the breaking of children and families stops, but it is an astonishing amount. The nation is in an uproar. This is a winnable issue, and more than that this reaction can be the beginning of the end of the Trump administration. They are chaotic, unstable, incompetent, and only our inaction lets them continue (only our inaction let them take power). But the action has begun. May it rise and grow and swell and sweep them out. It can. We can.

Today Secretary Nielsen was hounded out of a restaurant, and President Trump was shouted at by a woman (with a simple fuck you) and protested to his face by members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. A flight attendant, in the Houston Chronicle, has pledged and recruited his coworkers to cooperate with no more flights of children subjected to extreme rendition. There should be no respite and no safe place for those who support it, especially the politicians. More than a dozen governors have announced plans to withdraw their national guard troops. Seventy-five former US attorneys from both parties told Sessions how wrong he is. All Democratic senators have stood up against the separation of families and supported a bill that is waiting for one Republican to stop endorsing baby killing. A dozen cowardly Republican senators have signed a letter with no teeth, but at least they are nervous about being on the wrong side of history. But there the cowards are, and the nation and world is turning on them.

Faith leaders of nearly every group--rabbis, bishops, Buddhist teachers, hundreds of groups in public letters--have spoken out. Sessions' own denomination is censuring him. Direct actions and protests are underway around the country. A horde of journalists is keeping us informed. New York State has filed a class action lawsuit. Last weekend elected officials insisted on entering the shelters to see for themselves, including a dozen congresspeople from NY and NJ and Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon. John Lewis has been outspoken. There are hundreds of actions being organized, from El Paso to Reno, from the capital to California. The United Nations has condemned this behavior. It will make them global pariahs.

If you're in a district or state with a politician who's not strongly and clearly against torturing babies and children, pay their office a visit. Organize a protest at ICE. Call everyone. See what your church (or mosque or synagogue or zendo) is doing or get it to do something. Donate. Call. Make noise. Make more noise. If you are near or can get to the border, support the undocumented there and make it clear we are watching and we are with them. Make plans to keep it up as long as necessary. Review the guidelines on nonviolent direct action and, as Dahlia Lithwick reminds me, read Martin Luther King's "Letter from Birmingham Jail." Google employees got their corporation to drop a Pentagon project they thought was evil; there are many pressure points and many ways to apply pressure. There may be no obvious immediate results, but kept up we can win this uncivil war they insist upon fomenting.

My friend Erica Chenoweth wrote: "From 1900 to 2006, nonviolent campaigns worldwide were twice as likely to succeed outright as violent insurgencies. And there’s more. This trend has been increasing over time—in the last fifty years civil resistance has become increasingly frequent and effective, whereas violent insurgencies have become increasingly rare and unsuccessful. This is true even in extremely repressive, authoritarian conditions where we might expect nonviolent resistance to fail.

"Researchers used to say that no government could survive if five percent of its population mobilized against it. But our data reveal that the threshold is probably lower. In fact, no campaigns failed once they’d achieved the active and sustained participation of just 3.5% of the population—and lots of them succeeded with far less than that [5]. Now, 3.5% is nothing to sneeze at. In the U.S. today, this means almost 11 million people.

"But get this: Every single campaign that did surpass that 3.5% threshold was a nonviolent one. In fact, campaigns that relied solely on nonviolent methods were on average four times larger than the average violent campaign. And they were often much more representative in terms of gender, age, race, political party, class, and urban-rural distinctions."

The power is ours. For the sake of those children and so many more vulnerable people here and around the world, we, the eleven million, need to use that power.

Do it in faith. Do it knowing that the consequences will not be foreseeable. Do it knowing that all these look like nothing beforehand. Winston Churchill: "During that war we repeatedly asked ourselves the question, "How are we going to win?" and no one was able ever to answer it with much precision, until at the end, quite suddenly, quite unexpectedly, our terrible foe collapsed before us." Do it remembering that we did not know the Berlin Wall would fall, that #metoo would erupt and a thousand patriarchs would fall, that Nelson Mandela would not die in prison, that marriage equality would proceed like wildfire around the world, that Ireland would vote for abortion by a landslide last month.

Do it because it's right, because you too are writing history by what you do and do not do, do it because it's how to live honorably, but do it with an eye to effect. Do it for them, those kids we heard weeping, destroyed. Do it because we are not separate from them. Do it and don't stop and never ever surrende
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
The USA has just pulled out of the UNHRC. Israel delighted, of course, but I wonder if it has more to do with what's happening along the USA-Mexico border than anything going on internationally.

Republicans are going to get slaughtered in the mid-terms at this rate, surely?
 

droid

Well-known member
So, Trump parroting Russian propoganda on the Eu and requesting a private meeting with Putin at the bilateral summit he organised... Its like something from an 80's political sci fi, but can anyone really be in any doubt about the relationship between them anymore?
 

Leo

Well-known member
it's really the worst nightmare come true, the triumph of propaganda and corruption: so much outrageous talk and action day in/day out that the world becomes numbed to how alarming it is, and political leaders (mostly in the US) simply focus on how they can benefit from it personally instead of on what's legally and morally just. propaganda and corruption have always existed but now it's brazenly done out in the open, with an underlaying message of "yeah, so? what are you going to do about?"

i used to think someone like Mitch McConnell was just a pol who i disagreed with politically, but now he and others have revealed themselves instead as enablers of the corruption of democratic norms, and appeasers of those behind it all. not to be all hysterical, but it'll be a challenge to restore the balance of power and checks-and-balances in the US.
 

droid

Well-known member
The immensity of corruption and the breakdown of political norms is difficult to take in. Normally this shit happens behind closed doors, but so much of it is out in the open here. Its like a fractal scandal, with each scandal containing an infinite number of sub scandals.
 
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