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    I went raving in Eindhoven in Holland last weekend and the best option for everyone seemed to be a drum 'n' bass night. It's been about 8 years since I last paid any attention to drum 'n' bass other than a bit of ragga jungle and breakcore.

    It's all very... flat... these days, isn't it? Very linear interpretations of tech-step, but a bit cleaned up. No mad chopped-up beats, not even that many big fat b-lines.

    People liked it and we had a bit of a dance, but it was interesting to me that the music is barely recognisable as what I consider drum n bass.

    Pendulum came on the much acclaim, but it was more of the same really. The only standout track all night was one with a ragga-ish vocal singjaying "tarantula". That was good - any clues?

    But a bigger question is - how did this happen? Was I just unlucky or has d'n'b actually got boring, and if so why/how? I always assumed it was relatively easy to make huge jump up tunes with the simple ingredients handed down from the jungle forefathers, but it looks like there has been a conscious decision to not do that at some point.

    (As ever the above is personal opinion, blah blah blah, the value of your Metalheadz back catalogue may go down as well as up, your junglist credentials may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments on your raving account...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    (As ever the above is personal opinion, blah blah blah, the value of your Metalheadz back catalogue may go down as well as up, your junglist credentials may be at risk if you do not keep up repayments on your raving account...)
    LOOOOOOOOL

    [i never liked dnb in the first place, i'm afraid i have nothing constructive to contribute]

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    Every tune seems to have that clunky boom-bap-boombap boom-bap-boombap 160 bpm beat now. I'm sure there is some more interesting stuff out there, I haven't heard it though. And everybody I know from school that's still into dnb is a boring sod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swears View Post
    Every tune seems to have that clunky boom-bap-boombap boom-bap-boombap 160 bpm beat now. I'm sure there is some more interesting stuff out there, I haven't heard it though. And everybody I know from school that's still into dnb is a boring sod.
    I reckon you would see more inventiveness with the beats at most House nights - it was all very alarming.

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    i remember reading a 4hero interview where marc mac said he thought too many D&B tracks started sounding too rock-y which is what turned them away from the music... dont most people say D&B went shit around 97/98?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gumdrops View Post
    i remember reading a 4hero interview where marc mac said he thought too many D&B tracks started sounding too rock-y which is what turned them away from the music... dont most people say D&B went shit around 97/98?
    funnily enough i said that just last week
    http://gutterbreakz.blogspot.com/200...rit-of-97.html

    and if you've reduced the value of my metalheadz box before i put it on e-bay, i'll bloody 'ave you, eden!
    http://gutterbreakz.blogspot.com/200...etal-gear.html

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    yeah- it went shit a long time ago and as far as i can see, the name change from jungle to d'n'b was the immediate sign that things were fucking up- after all, it was an engineer's music if you like and the move from a metaphorical title to an instrumental label (ie, drums and bass) signified musicians taking over the asylum. Never a good thing as far as i'm concerned. No U-Turn were pioneers of the techstep sound but way in advance and still with that now old-skool element.

    yeah, d'n'b sucks. no genre ,omiker should emulate fish'n'chips.

    oh, and hi, this is my first post.


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    Hello exoticpylon!

    I think most people agree there was a seismic shift in around 97/98. For my money there were still a load of great tunes coming out after then and I was still pretty much on top of it all. The V Recordings stuff and even a lot of the Optical etc bizness was still pretty exciting imo as was going to the label nights at The End and Movement at Mass.

    There was a great thread on here a few years back where a load of people (including Droid iirc) were talking about their first experiences of raving during that period...

    But while I can just about muster a defence for the music if 98 and maybe even 99, there was one tune from the whole night in Eindhoven that I want to hear again.

    Nick -yeah been enjoying your recent posts, they kinda kicked this off too!

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    Y'know what sucks even more? Breaks.

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    Yes, it really has got that bad! It all just seems horrifically arid in creative terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viktorvaughn View Post
    Yes, it really has got that bad! It all just seems horrifically arid in creative terms.
    Why is that tho?

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    so, what did anyone make of rufige kru's 'malice in wonderland' then?

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    ah, another one of these. if you go to subvert central and have a browse you'll find a few interesting 100-page threads about the decline of drum and bass - it's been absolutely discussed to death.. that kind of stuff dominated SC for ages. check out droid and naphta's writing on weareie.com as well.

    the good stuff doesn't get played in clubs, but it's still out there. I'm going to record a mix next weekend.
    Last edited by UFO over easy; 02-07-2007 at 02:58 PM.

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    im not a DNB expert but from what i heard of malice in wonderland, quite a bit of it sounded like it could have been made more than a decade back! (quite good) great artwork too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO over easy View Post
    ah, another one of these.

    the good stuff doesn't get played in clubs, but it's still out there. I'm going to record a mix next weekend.
    Ah good! Would love to hear it!

    Any thoughts on why the good stuff doesn't get played in clubs?

    I'm more interested in the conditions which have got us to this point than having a moan about it all I think.

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