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    gotta admit this made my stomach turn. it is fascinating though.

    http://www.breitbart.com/

    there is an irrational paranoia to the extreme right which is, you gotta admit, deeply hilarious. they take common sense to the point to which it ceases to mean anything.

    the topics: immigration, climate denial, minuscule government. almost like they are engraved in marble.

    pretty much all the columnists are in fact trolls. the commenters (of which there are literally millions) are almost like bots. so sculpted and scripted are their responses.

    if the guardian is the home of the online home of the virtue signaller then breitbart is home of the virtual redneck.

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    This is the future though. We're going to see a mainstreaming of the most despicable views of the right over the next few years as climate kicks in and the refugee crisis increases by orders of magnitude. We already have creeping fascism, with everything from subhuman accommodation for asylum seekers, wristbands, and other forms of forced public displays, naked displays of racism by public figures, open calls for extermination...

    We can look forward to global feudalism, with the rich nations behind castle walls and the rich within rich nations in the keep, and the propaganda of the right will become the fig leaf to justify it all.

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    With the multiplicity of news channels and websites these days, viewers gravitate towards niche news sources which confirm their beliefs rather than challenge them.

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    i never understood who that milos guy with the long name was but his columns get forwarded to me a lot
    did you tronc today?

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    I was dealing with a recruitment agent a few months ago who I found out wrote for Breitbart on the side.

    I lost a friend to Stefan Molyneux and his cultish nonsense a few months ago. Moly's arguments do sometimes hold a passing resemblance to Mr Tea's (I think specifically of a discussion around 'there are facts/there are no facts' a few years ago).

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    Haha, you've got a real bee in your bonnet about me, haven't you?
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    Not wholly Brietbart-related, but it might as well go here.

    I read an excellent article earlier about David Icke, of all people, and it seemed to fit pretty well with a lot of recent discussion, here and elsewhere, about the so-called alt-right, Fascism and neo-Fascism, and these groups' extremely tenuous relationship with both particular truths and the concept of 'truth' in general. Icke has apparently stopped using his alien-lizards-as-metaphor-for-Jews approach and gone for a more direct the-Jews-are-the-lizards line of attack. Hitler developed a decidedly postmodern approach to the idea of truth as long ago as the 1920s, and the Icke article provides another fascinating example:

    When asked about the Protocols Icke retorted, “Just because Hitler used the knowledge for negative reasons doesn’t reflect on the knowledge itself.” Indeed when Hitler himself was told beyond all doubt the Protocols were fabricated he responded, ‘Well that proves the Jews wrote it.’
    So the idea that the Protocols is a fake document is itself a 'false flag'! An idea ahead of its time, clearly, given the frequency with which people belonging notionally to both the far right and far left dismiss events as false flag operations, and even relatively mainstream commentators fall prey to assuming that any news source contradictory of the hated 'MSM' must be correct, and the explosion of fake news that's helped put Trump in the White House.

    Then I recalled friend sufi helpfully suggesting I should sign up for www.stormfront.com because I wasn't having much truck with the idea of decolonizing the law of gravity, and it struck me as extremely odd that someone should associate a bias towards science, reason and objectivity with the far Right, when it's abundantly clear that the intellectual slant (if you can call it that) of Fascism and National Socialism right throughout history has overwhelmingly been Romantic, emotive, counter-Enlightenment and vigorously anti-science. Nor has this ever ceased to be the case: look at what the incoming Trump administration is already setting up to do the American academic, and especially scientific, establishment. Everything from climate change denialism to anti-evolutionism and young-earth creationism, appeals to obsolete racist pseudoscience regarding human evolution and genetics, the potential for public health disasters thanks to anti-vaccine propaganda and Aids denialism. I seriously wonder how much of this can be laid at the door of some of the alleged 'critiques' of science that zhao listed here many years back - I suspect a great deal. The tragedy is that this reactionary anti-intellectualism often wears the habits of intellectualism and frequently ensnares progressives, or at least, people who like to consider themselves progressives. This extends far beyond discussions of science, and manifests for example in people who regard themselves as "anti-imperialist" cheering on the atrocities of Assad and Putin while slandering the White Helmets as "terrorists". I recall zhao himself spouting "Obama created ISIS" nonsense on FB, apparently either not knowing or not caring that this is one of the foundation myths of the alt-right.

    All of which makes this post look even more bizarre:

    Quote Originally Posted by comelately View Post
    I lost a friend to Stefan Molyneux and his cultish nonsense a few months ago. Moly's arguments do sometimes hold a passing resemblance to Mr Tea's (I think specifically of a discussion around 'there are facts/there are no facts' a few years ago).
    Here are my ideological bosom buddies at Breity being all unequivocally like, "yay science", lol.





    As I said, perhaps the saddest part of the whole thing is seeing people with progressive instincts being swept along with all this. Someone I know, who is lovely but not the deepest thinker, shared this image on Facebook today:



    without realizing that it's a symptom of a general cultural and intellectual malaise that's enabling a worldwide rise in authoritarianism, proto- and actual Fascism and religious fundamentalism, and may well destroy any hope we have of keeping large parts of the Earth's surface habitable by the end of the century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trza View Post
    i never understood who that milos guy with the long name was but his columns get forwarded to me a lot
    Banned from twitter - rightfully so.

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    Not buying into liberal, individualist identity politics does not mean you are crazy, repugnant or hate trans people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny B View Post
    Not buying into liberal, individualist identity politics does not mean you are crazy, repugnant or hate trans people
    i'd agree with that. funny to me that mtf anf ftm transitions so often seem to be treated as if they can be talked about together, without any consideration of the differences between them. Whereas power realities dictate that they're not the same thing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    i'd agree with that. funny to me that mtf anf ftm transitions so often seem to be treated as if they can be talked about together, without any consideration of the differences between them. Whereas power realities dictate that they're not the same thing at all.
    Also, how many trans-men actually are there? I know they exist, of course, but they seem to be greatly outnumbered by trans-women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    Also, how many trans-men actually are there? I know they exist, of course, but they seem to be greatly outnumbered by trans-women.
    Dunno...I've met someone who I learned is planning to transition ftm, but yes, 90% of press coverage concerns mtf transitions so the impression is given that these transitions are way more common. No idea if that's true irl though.

    edit: https://tgmentalhealth.com/tag/prevalence/ doesn't seem to be an awful lot of reliable info around

    from that emperor's new penis article, this is a very good way of putting the main point of argument, albeit obvs should read: some trans activists:
    "The disagreement is that queer/trans activists believe gender is a binary, and we believe it’s a hierarchy."
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    Google search for an article called 'the emperor's new penis' by lierre Keith for an excellent summary of the radfem position on transgender and the hatemongering I was talking about. Highly recommended

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    And tea, you of all people should be critical of some of the pseudobiology that gets spouted by the transgender movement

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