Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Asked to estimate the proportion of foreign-born people living in the UK, the average guess is 29.4%. The true figure according to OECD data is 10.8%, lower than Germany, Spain, the Netherlands, Canada and the USA.

I've seen figures for this statistic that are a bit higher than this, but still certainly far short of 29%.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Why are the right-wing papers so pro-Brexit? I mean, I understand why people who are struggling to make ends meet would be up for Brexit, but what have the wealthy owners of the Mail/Telegraph etc. got against the EU? Regulations?
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Because outrage and resentment sell more papers than the spirit of international fraternity and cooperation?
 

droid

Well-known member
First let's address that the UK will not exist in a couple of years. At best, only England and Wales will be joined. Scotland/NI gone.

England and Wales are then left import reliant on fuels, food and other goods. But favourable EU trade terms and Parity gains are also gone.

The export market is toast, as gains in currency devaluation are killed by a lack of resource without import. Unemployment rises with costs.

Internally, inflation kills the housing and retail market and poverty levels spike out of control. Without ability to provide welfare.

The service sector departs for EU, executing the only healthy section of the economy while decreasing the largest available tax revenues.

Foreign companies who've propped manufacture/infrastructure withdraw due to the impact of trade tariffs and the economy/employment crashes.

Any government is now trapped, unable to spend without revenue, and the downward spiral accelerates. The NHS, Education, & policing collapse

Foreign companies seize the opportunity and asset strip the U.K., while the government takes the sole option of tax haven creation.

This relies on further deregulation of employment and human rights. What employment there is left is low wage, short or zero terms.

The population now can't afford to move, as the housing market has collapsed, credit has died, and foreign hands control rental markets.

And migrant labour cannot pick up the slack, so local communities die at an accelerated rate without investment and travelling revenue.

Devolved budget councils fail to collect revenue due to the collapsing national and local economy and infrastructure crumbles.

The spiral, at this point, becomes irreversible and Wales seeks union elsewhere. To save itself. The English economy is decimated.

Gas and petrol become a daydream, commuting for work fails. Local economies cease to viably exist.

Disease becomes commonplace among the young and old, and the age of death reduces significantly. The population contracts, reducing revenue.

At this point, the once sick man of Europe is now dying and they return, cap in hand. But Europe, after war with Russia, turns their back.

Beyond this point, all bets are off. But it's about time, even as simplistically as in tweet form, people faced facts of the path we are on.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
Tories defeat amendment 86 that requires that Article 50 does not break agreements in the Good Friday Agreement 288 - 327. majority 39
 

luka

Well-known member
one of the things ive been very wrong about in life was assuming buisness leaders in britain would never allow britain to leave the eu. im still trying to figure out what exactly happened.
 

droid

Well-known member
The Tories are quite simply batshit insane. Parallels with the Republicans. They are cretinous radical xenophobes empowered by perhaps the most toxic media culture on the planet.
 

droid

Well-known member
The scary thing is that a plurality of US citizens oppose the republicans. Both in popular electoral terms and in specific policies, the GOP is so far to the right of public opinion they are falling off the chart.

In Britain the Tories continue to enjoy popular support.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
one of the things ive been very wrong about in life was assuming buisness leaders in britain would never allow britain to leave the eu. im still trying to figure out what exactly happened.

I thought this, too. The Tories have always been the party that could generally be relied upon to do whatever was good for big business, regardless of whatever effect that had on the little people. But voluntarily giving up access to the common market doesn't even make sense from a purely capitalist POV. It's mental.
 

luka

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possibly, but then again, and i dont know whose money was going where, an argument i heard a lot in australia from rich peoples wives, was weve got too many regulations how can we compete with china, our wages are too high, so im wondering if there was a buisness argument for brexit from that angle.
 
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