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    How could I forget?! A momentous occasion.

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    Given what we now know; the lies of the leave campaign, Russian involvement, dark web advertising, the fact that it was only ever meant to be advisory, the terrible economic and social consequences that have now become apparent, and most importantly the absolute catastrophe the Tories are making of the negotiations and their seeming inability to deliver a deal that will be anything other than disastrous - a referendum on the final deal seems both the most prudent and only non-insane course of action.

    Which is exactly why it seems so unlikely.

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    Every election I've ever witnessed was based on misinformation. Why is this any different?

    I mean, I don't really care about Remainers bringing this up (even though I'm constantly nonplussed by their naive trust in the EU as some sort of benevolent socialist council) but why wasn't anyone demanding second general elections when the Lib Dems went against their promises on uni fees?

    (Ps I didn't vote Leave).

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    Its a reasonable point, but I think the general feeling is that we all know they lie constantly, but that you get a chance to kick them out at the next election, or in the case of a government or party that is egregiously deceitful or incompetent there is the possibility of leaders being replaced, coalitions collapsing, votes of no confidence, essentially public and political pressure that can force a change of personnel or ultimately a new election.

    So in that sense, seeing that Brexit probably has the potential to be far more destructive, irreversible and far-reaching than your average government policy you could argue that there should be more checks, balances & opportunities to change decisions than the results of general election - not less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    Why do people think the idea of a second referendum is daft btw?
    but as someone says above, the referendum has been horribly divisive and a 2nd would be much worse now battle lines are drawn, bridges burnt, zombie nationalisms invoked etc.

    as well as the pointing about keep on holding em till you get the right result - i heard somewhere that there should be one europe referendum per generation - that seems reasonable.

    The right thing to have happened would be an implementation of a reformist brexit in proportion to the issues that brexiteers (and lexiteers) are concerned about and proportional to their puny majority, run in a competent way by a competent government - that's the weak link though, and would unfortunately not change after another vote

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    Quote Originally Posted by droid View Post
    There was someone on Twitter self assuredly claiming that both Brexit and Trump will be history by June. Not holding my breath but it does seem like the endgame is approaching in both cases.
    A bit late, but I think the endgame is now upon us. General Election before October?

    The situation in the US also seems to be reaching a climax with Gulliani now claiming Trump will refuse a Muller interview.

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    I'm not too sure - will the Tories really go the wire on this and allow May to fall? Less than half of 'em voted for Brexit, and pretty sure more than half think Boris (most likely candidate for a challenge) is a treacherous piece of shit.

    I'm normally totally wrong about these things though so we'll see....

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    Johnson wouldnt have gone unless he thought he had the numbers to go for her head.

    There's enough Brexit tories to call for a no confidence vote. The phoney war is over and the Brexiteers would rather bring down the walls of the temple than lose their sacred cow.

    Its the same confluence of fantasy, arrogance, grotesque self-delusion and stupidity that brought us the last GE & the Brexit result.

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    Looking like worst case scenario is on the cards. Either this government falls and Labour try and extend article 50, or you guys better start stocking up on food and medicine.

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    Im not being facetious here. This is really bad.

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    I think that we're fooling ourselves if we still think UK is not crashing out with no deal - this has been a set piece for many months now - since well before the referendum in fact, and it feels like UK still haven't really got a clue.

    The obstructionism that has prevented the (wholly useless & completely out-manoeuvred, if not a willing stooge) PM from even being able to reach agreement in her own party ffs, let alone lead the country in any way, is not even politically sophisticated - the only clever part is making sure that the superficial drama is engrossing enough to keep the chatterers and tweeters entertained. That strategy will still be good til we are out of the EU on our arses.

    Who to blame? eejits who persist in thinking there is no conspiracy (including the useless bbc)

    This sort of overblown paranoia suddenly is chillingly credible, no? https://www.byline.com/column/67/article/2090

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    Wow.


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