Yeah of course. I was on my phone so wrote quickly. In full, what I'm thinking is that Corbyn and Labour are unlikely enough to present a vision of Brexit that is sufficiently compelling and different enough to win enough seats in a GE to get things going. Hence my preferred course of action would be another referendum with a straight choice between No Deal and No Brexit - that would at least give a result. If they could force an election, while it could deliver a result that is decisive, it's equally possible that there will no party with no majority, or there will be a party with a majority of seats but not enough agreement between those seats as to what is gonna happen with Brexit. In other words an election could take up a lot of time and there is on guarantee it will solve the problem.Depends on the results of a GE I guess.
Well if with everything we know now the country in a referendum voted for a hard brexit then I would accept that it is what the people, the country etc want. At least the deadlock would have been broken. A close result could be divisive I guess but that's not really a major issue cos how much more divided can the country get? In terms of providing a "next move" I still think it's the best bet because one way or another it would provide an absolute majority and a decision. At the moment we have nothing that can provide a majority and we might drift into Hard Brexit by default. I would be a lot more unhappy about that occurrence (than I would it being voted for by plebiscite) cos we would be getting a result which is probably what no-one wants. I'd rather a decision of some sort was made.Conversely, a 2nd referendum could be disastrous either leading to a hard Brexit or another close result and the accompanying division, chaos and lack of resolution. Ideal solution in my mind is a GE, labour win and soft Brexit.
Terrifying rigid determination to leave at whatever cost."Theresa May’s spokesman has told reporters that the Westminster leaders of Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the SNP and Plaid Cymru have been invited to meet with the prime minister later this evening.
However, a no-deal Brexit will not be taken off the table, despite Corbyn’s insistence it was a prerequisite for talks, he added.
The spokesman said: “The prime minister has been very clear that the British public voted to leave the European Union.
“We want to leave with a deal but she is determined to deliver on the verdict of the British public and that is to leave the EU on March 29 this year.”
Asked by a reporter if he was “taking no-deal off the table in response to the opposition leader”, he replied: “I am not.”
And then what? That will leave us in the same place we are now but with the deadline even closer....
I hope you are right on both counts!She will collapse eventually and article 50 will be extended.
I agree with Rich that drifting into a no-deal Brexit by default is the most terrifying outcome of all, because it will really then have fucked Britain's future for no other reason that 'it must be done'. Basically, Brexit by parental trauma.
At least let's have a fucking vote for jumping off the cliff. If it tanks Corbyn at this point, well, so be it. We can't hold on wishing for something that's not going to happen, led by a man who we hoped was a political saviour but has turned out to be an intransigent arsehole without any kind of plan. And all indications are that he has little to no chance of winning a general election on his current platform, so let's not go there - could even lead to a Tory majority being returned at this point.
Article 50 looks like it's going to be extended in any case - 2nd referendum, GE, or just for more negotiating time.
If I never have to hear the word 'backstop' ever again, it will be way, way too soon.
So, imagine this scenario. Corbyn calls for 2nd referendum, which fails. As a result they also lose all leave support, lose the next GE, Tories get back under power with Gove or some other shitehawk as leader, implement a hard Brexit and have another 5 years to pursue their vision of a deregulated ultra neo-liberal rogue state.
But that's all good because at least a decision to jump of the cliff has been made.
IIRC the lowest polling dropped was about equal at 38% and has been about 2-3 points up on average. Depends on the poll I suppose.