IdleRich

IdleRich
I truly hate Fox, I really think he might be the worst of the lot too. This guy can be fired from government for basically enriching his friend (or lover?) at the expense of the country he was supposed to serve. Then he thinks he can swan back in a few years and, firstly, try and be prime minister(!) and then when that fails he still thinks he has the moral authority and knowledge to tell people what they ought to be doing. This disgusting man should not be anywhere near the house of fucking parliament - it wasn't incompetence that brought him down but dishonesty (though with negotiating the new trade deals he has demonstrated that he is also fucking incompetent). He was caught cheating the country - that should be it, done and dusted fuck off, drop dead you cunt. How is he still hanging around? How do the rest of them let him? Has he no shame or basic human decency whatsoever? What a fucking prick. Just thinking about him makes me so angry.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
See, this is exactly what I'm on about

Liam Fox has piled pressure on his Westminster colleagues to vote the prime minister’s Brexit deal through, by warning they will undermine faith in mainstream politics by creating a “chasm of distrust” if they fail to do so.
Will it though? Which will create the biggest such chasm?

Will it be
a) Parliament making a considered and informed decision to vote down a deal that everyone can see is completely shit and which will inarguably weaken our country and for which the only arguments being put forward are vague threats
b) A scumbag thief who wormed his way into the cabinet and then used his position to enrich his lover at the country's expense and had to resign - but somehow is allowed back into a position of power where he promptly starts fucking everything up and telling people what they ought to do.

Clue - it's b) it's you Fox you cunt. I wish he would do the decent thing and kill himself. And not just a simple, painless shot to the head - the way I see it he has a clear moral duty to subject himself to the most hideous and excruciatingly painful tortures his twisted mind can devise until the broken wreck of hisvbody gives up the ghost and breathes its last - though not before he can vote as often as possible to obstruct brexit in every conceivable way. The cunt.
 

Leo

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so rees-mogg and Boris suddenly support may's plan, nothing odd about that, huh? assume they just hoped it would pass so that she'd step down. how can these people look at themselves in the mirror.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Thanks Ollie.
Anyway, May's WA has been defeated again, shes says that the consequences will be "grave" which, given that May's attitudes and beliefs appear to be diametrically opposed to everything that is good, pure and right in this world, I take to be fantastic news. I really fucking hate the way that she issues these statements as though she is in some sense an arbiter of what is right. How can she thinks that a move that might conceivably increase the chance of Brexit not happening - something which the majority of the country apparently want and which anyone who knows anything at all about the effects Brexit is likely to have understands can only be positive for our country - is "grave" purely because it's at the expense of her own pathetic deal and may cause even more splits within the Tory party. I've never been so angry about the general level of discourse from our politicians, the huge disconnect between what they say and reality, the complete refusal to accept facts or answer questions while at the same time constantly referring to a presumed agreement between them and us when nothing whatsoever of the kind exists.
 

Leo

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not news to anyone but still...

Is Theresa May the Worst Politician Ever?

LONDON — My first attempt to charm Theresa May was eight years ago, in the grand surroundings of the State Dining Room in Downing Street, where a couple of hundred women had been invited to a reception for International Women’s Day. Mrs. May, then the home secretary, arrived to the event late and perched by a table looking uncomfortable and alone. She was the only minister not surrounded by a jostling crowd. I told a gaggle of female correspondents that I was going to talk to her. “Don’t bother,” they said. “She’s a blank wall. She never tells you anything.”

I didn’t believe them. In general, politicians need journalists to exchange gossip, spin, insights and facts. I took my glass and introduced myself. Mrs. May gave a small tight smile. Every question I asked, from how she was doing to what challenges she faced at the home office, was batted away with monosyllables. I was baffled. She clearly saw no point in creating a relationship, or explaining any of her thinking to me.

This would have been an irrelevant encounter with an unimportant hack except that practically everybody, from fellow ministers to advisers to European leaders, turns out to have experienced a version of it. Mrs. May’s extraordinary inability to develop or grasp the critical importance of alliances, friendships, coalitions and mutual understanding in politics has destroyed her premiership — and derailed the Brexit process from its beginning to its calamitous stalemate today.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/...l?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
 

version

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She was the person I was most concerned about becoming PM when the leadership contest was announced. I didn't like any of them, but I would have preferred even Boris over her. She's always come across as staggeringly arrogant, severely lacking in empathy and stubborn to the point of ruin.

I think the incident which really cemented my opinion of her was the altering of the drug report. Apparently Clegg had the government commission a report and when it reached May, she had it changed because she didn't like the results. How can someone like that run a country?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I think the incident which really cemented my opinion of her was the altering of the drug report. Apparently Clegg had the government commission a report and when it reached May, she had it changed because she didn't like the results. How can someone like that run a country?
Was that the Professor Nutt thing?
Anyway, that was a good spot with May, I think that most thought at that point that she was the best of a (very very) bad lot. I surely can't have been alone in thinking we had dodged a bullet or two given some of the other choices... well, since then I've changed my mind, we all know she faced a difficult job but it seems to me that every time she had a decision to make she made the wrong one - and often did even that really badly i.e secretively or dishonestly or with bad manners or bad timing or something.
 

version

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Was that the Professor Nutt thing?

Nah, it was a report on the link between harsh laws and illegal drug use.

Home secretary tried to alter 2014 study that found no link between tough laws and illegal drug use, says ex-deputy PM - https://www.theguardian.com/politic...accuses-theresa-may-drug-report-conservatives

Nick Clegg has accused the home secretary, Theresa May, of attempting to delete sentences from a Whitehall report after it concluded that there was no link between tough laws and the levels of illegal drug use...

Speaking before he travels to New York for a special session of the UN on new approaches to tackle the issue, the former deputy prime minister described May as “spectacularly unimaginative” on the issue. He claimed that the home secretary and her aides tried to alter a 2014 study before publication because “they didn’t like the conclusions”.

The Home Office report’s finding that there was “no obvious” relationship between a zero-tolerance approach to drugs and levels of consumption triggered calls for a fresh debate over decriminalisation. It concluded that the factors driving drug use were complex, but did cite “considerable” health improvements in Portugal since the decision to treat possession as a health issue rather than a criminal one.


Clegg said the original draft had been subject to an “endless wrangle between Lib Dem ministers and Theresa May about the fullness of what would be published”, arguing that there would be no change whatsoever as long as she led the Home Office.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Every question I asked, from how she was doing to what challenges she faced at the home office, was batted away with monosyllables. I was baffled. She clearly saw no point in creating a relationship, or explaining any of her thinking to me.
This is exactly it. Of course, this tactic makes some kind of sense when facing tough questioning from a hostile MP or interviewer as it basically is just a way not to say anything at all. Even then it makes me feel sick and I wish people would be challenged more on it - any interviewer should point out that they are not answering and ask why and so on - and it puts people off and thus could be a potential vote loser, but ultimately I can see how a politician might at certain times think it is a viable tactic. What I don't get is when she goes to the EU and wants a favour from them (some kind of tidbit to make her deal more attractive and thus potentially win over parliament) and gives a speech - and she does this! Why is she freezing them out and ignoring them when she needs their help, she isn't giving them any information, any clue. How is this weirdly paranoid behaviour going to win anyone over?
 
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version

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It explains a lot about her policies, the snooper's charter and Porn ID system in particular. She's desperately trying to control a world she can't accept on its own terms.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
My girlfriend's mum vaguely knew May as a student at Oxford. She remembers nothing about her except that she was phenomenonally boring.
 
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