UK EU Referendum Aftermath
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baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
glad i didn't imagine it, read it bleary-eyed late last night. I'm not sure how explosive it will prove tho' - he is openly part of the far right, and a large number of people just don't care. As with Trump.
IdleRich
IdleRich
But if he was illegally giving money to a company that is not even based in the UK which was in turn giving it to far-right speakers - all cos he was shagging the head of the company (is that the implication?) and lying about their relationship on official documents then it doesn't look good.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
(post before last) Logically totally correct, but logic is not the game any more. An alumni of Eton is presenting himself as a man of the people and it's working, to the point where few point it out now. As Paul Mason said yesterday, Hannah Arendt spoke of the alliance of the elites and the mob in Nazi Germany. It's a pragmatic alliance, and doesn't rely upon political content, other than achieving the task at hand.
Arcuri - agree entirely that it looks appalling, but Rees-Mogg has a hedge fund (?) that is betting against this country's collapse and no Brexiteer/alleged 'patriot' cares. Everything is selective now.
Btw, think the implication is that the scandal is not really to do with sex as such - he wanted the money to get to the far right, and was just using her as a (willing) conduit for that. Whether they were having sex is by the by (I think)
Arcuri - agree entirely that it looks appalling, but Rees-Mogg has a hedge fund (?) that is betting against this country's collapse and no Brexiteer/alleged 'patriot' cares. Everything is selective now.
Btw, think the implication is that the scandal is not really to do with sex as such - he wanted the money to get to the far right, and was just using her as a (willing) conduit for that. Whether they were having sex is by the by (I think)
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Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Isn't JRM betting exactly on the collapse of the pound/whole economy?
(sure that's what you meant)
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
true, yep
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
It's the new reality.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
She's very good (and also I feel extra affection for her since moving to Birmingham - met a couple of people who work for her, and apparently she is very decent in person too). I'd vote for any Labour MP under a decent domestic manifesto (which they definitely will have after the conference - I appreciate misgivings about Corbyn's stance on international issues, but within the party there's a huge range of views on that), don't care who they are really and whether I like them personally. But the whole constituency voting system is so archaic and miserably useless anyways - that we're even talking about protest votes in safe Labour seats is a condemnation of a wretched system.
On a positive note, this crisis has really demonstrated how many good people there are in the HoC, and how many powerful speakers with something constructive to say. If it survives this brutal attack on its sovereignty, I'd wager that it will (eventually) emerge stronger than ever.
On a positive note, this crisis has really demonstrated how many good people there are in the HoC, and how many powerful speakers with something constructive to say. If it survives this brutal attack on its sovereignty, I'd wager that it will (eventually) emerge stronger than ever.
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comelately
Wild Horses
Johnson's losing streak in the HoC is a badge of honour for him at this point.
Re: Arcuri. There may well be a lot going on there - I've seen some of the Twitter threads. However, as someone pointed out, Milo was part of the Silicon Roundabout scene, so it's not that surprising that you might find he was at some of these events. Some care is needed here - 'the truth' is probably interesting enough without people trying to link it to Mercer or whatever, which I don't think would be effective presentation at this point.
Re: Arcuri. There may well be a lot going on there - I've seen some of the Twitter threads. However, as someone pointed out, Milo was part of the Silicon Roundabout scene, so it's not that surprising that you might find he was at some of these events. Some care is needed here - 'the truth' is probably interesting enough without people trying to link it to Mercer or whatever, which I don't think would be effective presentation at this point.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
fair enough point, but the question would have to be whether political scandals even work in the same way at this point in history. What kind of scandal would it actually take to get rid of Johnson through the weight of public disapproval?
comelately
Wild Horses
They of course don't. It's a war of attrition at this point. There's a lot of constituencies which are going to be won and lost on a few hundred votes. Hearts and minds.
And btw that means traditional Conservative voters. Time to suck it up and put on a smile. We're in this for the species boys and girls.
And btw that means traditional Conservative voters. Time to suck it up and put on a smile. We're in this for the species boys and girls.
baboon2004
Darned cockwombles.
Agreed- as I said upthread, I think that Johnson will be defeated if those against him don't get diverted by the spectacle, acknowledge that nothing short of a general election defeat will likely get rid of him, and concentrate on the fight ahead, not being shocked every time he lowers the bar. He will sink as close to the absolute bottom as it takes.
Difficult to do, admittedly.
Difficult to do, admittedly.
firefinga
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A scandal today isn't a scandal any longer what it used to be - meaning in a fragmented media scenario, with scocial media thrown into the mix (and possibly, social media has eclipsed any other form of "old" media today regarding influence) there isn't even a common ground what constitutes a "scandal" today. If a politician has clearly done something unlawful, chances are better, but if he/she did something "immoral", but not against the law, it usually boils down to the personality structure of the person in question - meaning, if this person is stubborn as hell, he/she will just sit out any attempt to "scandalise". I don't know much about Johnson, but he doesnt strike me as someone very critical of himself and thus he will not resign unless he is absolutely cornered and has no support by his party at all any longer.
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It isn't wealth and status that makes someone 'the elite' to those people, it's wealth, status and liberalism. The latter being by far the most important. You could be the richest person in the world and they wouldn't call you an elite as long as you were bashing liberalism.