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    vims people.
    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/0...the-alt-right/
    'The alt-right’s intellectuals would also argue that culture is inseparable from race. The alt-right believe that some degree of separation between peoples is necessary for a culture to be preserved. A Mosque next to an English street full of houses bearing the flag of St. George, according to alt-righters, is neither an English street nor a Muslim street — separation is necessary for distinctiveness.

    Some alt-righters make a more subtle argument. They say that when different groups are brought together, the common culture starts to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Instead of mosques or English houses, you get atheism and stucco.'

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    There are some left-leaning types (such as myself) who tend to accord a great deal of respect to the native cultures of other countries, while simultaneously scoffing at the notion that there is an 'English culture' that should, or indeed even CAN, be defended against dilution or destruction. I guess there's some sort of double standard operating there.

    I've been reading part one of Peter Ackroyd's history of England and it really gets across how phony the notion of a 'native' English race is. First it was people from Iberia, then it was the Romans, then it was the Saxons, then it was the Danish, and so on.

    This is interesting, though, Luka, I'll read when I get the chance.

    I'm intrigued by the notion of traditional conservatives acting against the neo-liberal right who, as this article says, might happily bulldoze a historical building to build a strip mall, if it made them more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    I've been reading part one of Peter Ackroyd's history of England and it really gets across how phony the notion of a 'native' English race is. First it was people from Iberia, then it was the Romans, then it was the Saxons, then it was the Danish, and so on.
    Right, but a race is not the same thing as a nation*. There's been a pretty well defined concept of England as a unitary political, legal and cultural entity for over a thousand years - compare that to some other European countries (Italy, Germany...countries hardly innocent to the impulse of nationalism!) that came into being as nation-states less than 150 years ago (or even, what, 26 years ago in Germany's case, if you count the division of the country during the Cold War). And new countries pop into existence all the time.

    True, there are still some dolts who may insist that the English are primarily descended from Anglo-Saxons and there are Welsh, Scottish and Irish nationalists who cling to the equally fantastical notion that they descend from a well defined "Celtic" race - but I hope most people these days are aware that modern genetics and archaeology paints a vastly more subtle and ambiguous picture than this.

    *Though that's not to say some countries don't have a far greater degree of ethnic homogeneity than others, in both the genetic and cultural senses - Japan springs to mind.
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    Anyone else wondering what Pepe the Frog is doing in the header cartoon?!
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    Like the alt-right, the frog's a 4chan thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Like the alt-right, the frog's a 4chan thing.
    Ah yeah, I got that when I read further down.

    Nick Land's name keeps cropping up in this context. Wasn't he a darling of the lefty academic blogosphere in the last decade? I seem to recall him being quoted favourably by people (K-punk, Gek-opel...) who presumably would rather have died than be thought of as any kind of Rightist or reactionary, "alt" or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    lol @ this jack donovan guy.

    THE WAY OF MEN

    What is masculinity?

    When someone tells a man to be a man, they mean that there is a way to be a man. A man is not just a thing to be–it is also a way to be, a path to follow and a way to walk.

    People are talking about “the end of men,” “the decline of males,” and the so-called “crisis of masculinity.” There are many diagnoses for the troubles men face today, but the chattering class is short on solutions. They refuse to deal honestly with the differences between men and women, and fail to entertain the possibility that their vision of the future offers little of value to average males.

    The Way of Men answers the question “What is masculinity?”

    Donovan concludes that The Way of Men is the way of the primal survival gang. The simple, amoral, tactical virtues of the gang define our most basic conception of manliness. The “crisis of masculinity” is really a timeless push-and-pull between masculinity and civilization. The world has changed more than men have, and the security and luxury of modernity have put us conflict with our own natures. The path back to honor for men may lead through a new dark age.
    http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/books/the-way-of-men/

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    There are plenty of groups operating outside of the law in America, relying on violence and blood feuds to settle disputes. The contemptible thing about Donovan is he'd rather role play it. Go and be a Sonny Barger, go and be a Big Meech if you want to test yourself in that world, but remember the stakes are high. People really get killed.
    But don't dress up like Kaal Drogo and howl in the woods with your mates and then tell us that's the essence of masculinity.

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    The aesthetics of it give the game away. The Dothraki horde, Norwegian death metal, Irish-Canadian historical drama television series 'the Vikings'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    Some good stuff here, although a few howlers too; in particular, Russia isn't "the enemy" as far as the alt-right is concerned, more like a friendly rival at worst - they see Putin running 'his' country the way they want Trump to run theirs.

    This line is OTM:

    ...any effective movement against corporate capitalism must completely sever any links that it has to the Democratic or any other neo-liberal party, to the corporate media or any "alternative" media that functions only as its mirror...
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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    There are plenty of groups operating outside of the law in America, relying on violence and blood feuds to settle disputes. The contemptible thing about Donovan is he'd rather role play it. Go and be a Sonny Barger, go and be a Big Meech if you want to test yourself in that world, but remember the stakes are high. People really get killed.
    But don't dress up like Kaal Drogo and howl in the woods with your mates and then tell us that's the essence of masculinity.
    LOL

    I do think an awful lot of this stuff is about nerdy men who are scared of women and therefore resent them.

    This Andrew O'Hagen piece about mass killers in the US addresses this issue: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n20/andrew-...le-now-bitches

    And here's my old mucker Martin Amis, also in the LRB, writing on Robert Bly's masculinity-crisis tome 'Iron John': http://www.lrb.co.uk/v13/n23/martin-...rn-of-the-male

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    LOL



    And here's my old mucker Martin Amis, also in the LRB, writing on Robert Bly's masculinity-crisis tome 'Iron John': http://www.lrb.co.uk/v13/n23/martin-...rn-of-the-male
    surprise surprise, jack donovan has reviewed this book too. Verdict: quite good in places but needs more balls

    http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/201...ing-iron-john/

    a word of warning. this article contains the following words and phrases; 'men’s movement”, 'mancession', 'katabasis for men', 'inner warrior', 'male initiation', 'woundology', 'authentic, organic masculine experience' and 'a wounded male soul'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny B View Post
    ...'inner warrior'...
    Well if Naomi Wolf can have an 'inner goddess' then why not, eh?
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