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    so that youre left to argue over the order in which the top three albums in your wu tang list fall
    3/liquid swords
    2/enter
    1/cuban linx

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    which is why id be interested, more interested in younger peoples lists, before the canon starts to ossify

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    I'll never have enough clout on here to do something as informative yet self indulgent as this so I'm just gonna hate from the sidelines cheers
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    re. MCs and lack of discussion thereof:

    The thing I've found over the years is that a surprising number of people who are otherwise totally down with the whole jungle / drum & bass program, it seems they don't actually like the MC element at all. They find MCs to be an annoyance.

    You also get people who come up with a lot of interesting perceptions about and fantastic imagery evoking the music - Mark Fisher and Kodwo Eshun spring to mind - but who never once mention the MC side of things in their writings about jungle / 2step / etc.

    Maybe because the MC element is just too insistently "actual human beings involved in this" - so it interferes with a way of responding to the music in terms of cinematic images running across your mindscreen of a dark dystopian cyber-future nature

    which is definitely one truth of the music

    just not the whole truth
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    i think youre wrong about that tbh

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    anyway this new emollient personna is making me nervous when you going back to smh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiLhead View Post
    re. MCs and lack of discussion thereof:

    The thing I've found over the years is that a surprising number of people who are otherwise totally down with the whole jungle / drum & bass program, it seems they don't actually like the MC element at all. They find MCs to be an annoyance.

    You also get people who come up with a lot of interesting perceptions about and fantastic imagery evoking the music - Mark Fisher and Kodwo Eshun spring to mind - but who never once mention the MC side of things in their writings about jungle / 2step / etc.

    Maybe because the MC element is just too insistently "actual human beings involved in this" - so it interferes with a way of responding to the music in terms of cinematic images running across your mindscreen of a dark dystopian cyber-future nature

    which is definitely one truth of the music

    just not the whole truth
    yeah it ruins the neuromancer zion fantasies abit doesnt it

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    1 King Tubby -- Zion Gate Dub 3:15 2 King Tubby & Augustus Pablo -- King Tubby's Borderline Dub 3:07 3 Lee Perry -- Venus 3:28 4 King Tubby -- Money Dub 3:00 5 Lee Perry -- Lee Perry Upsetting Dub 4:00 6 King Jammy -- Slow Motion Dub 3:12 7 King Jammy -- Black & White Dub 3:02 8 King Tubby -- The Battle Axe Dub 3:26 9 King Jammy -- Dub It In The Dancehall Dub 3:14 10 King Tubby -- Fittest Of The Fittest Dub 4:10 11 Scientist -- Rasta Dub It Everywhere 3:00 12 King Tubby -- Dark Destroyer Dub 3:00 13 King Jammy -- Jump Song Dub 2:41 14 Sly & Robbie -- Hypocrite Dub 3:41 15 Lee Perry -- Lee Perry Special Dub 3:39 16 King Tubby -- Rock With I Dub 3:56 17 King Tubby -- Fat Man Dub 3:26 18 Lee Perry -- Hold Of Death 3:03 19 King Tubby & Augustus Pablo -- King Tubby's Rock On Time Dub 3:24 20 Lee Perry -- Black Street 3:25 21 Sly & Robbie -- Burial Dub 4:22 22 Lee Perry -- Lee Perry Guiding Star Dub 3:30 23 King Tubby -- Dawn Dub 2:27

    i picked this cheap music club compilation up cos i knew i was supposed to like dub. this would have been about 1996 maybe? or maybe later '98 even? i was too dumb to get dub though until i took the tape to amsterdam. came back to the hotel room. put this on the headphones.
    drugs are vital for listening imo. there's no point, unless you're in a very emotionally volatile state, listening to music straight. its boring and pointless and you miss everything. i smoked so much weed in my life it stopped working but back in these days it was my best friend.

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    anyway great budget label music club. had a few of their bits and always very well curated.

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    very important in terms of saying 'you're a terrible listener. terrible at paying attention. you miss everything. snatch at things.' weed combined with this album. very important in making me realise how im not a music guy and i dont understand anything unless i make myself temporarily more intelligent with drugs. that's an ongoing theme in my musical history.

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    I definitely feel that way about weed, and I feel somehow guilty or inadequate because of this, but should I? Shouldn't I be able to appreciate the sensory arts (e.g. painting, sculpture, music) without narcotic enhancement?

    Well, of course I DO. But it's just better when I'm stoned. This is more the case with visual art, though.

    And arguably with dub/reggae it is actually necessary to be stoned to understand it.

    In any case, returns us to Blake/Huxley and the 'doors of perception'.

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    it's inherently fascinating but also frustrating. becasue you cant really be high every day. or you can but there are rapidly diminishing returns and you will end up depressed and lost.

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    begs the question: can weed or other drugs make lousy music sound interesting? they provide a gateway into higher levels of appreciation, make good music sound amazing, etc.. but can they make a listener fond of any old crap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    begs the question: can weed or other drugs make lousy music sound interesting? they provide a gateway into higher levels of appreciation, make good music sound amazing, etc.. but can they make a listener fond of any old crap?
    ime absolutely not. they magnify the banality of bad music.

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