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    no hes completely unique and self made and like burroughs (another influence) alchemises pulp literature.

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    "an extra useless eye"

    or

    "an extra useless I"

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    So many levels...

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    i dont know how he slipped through the cracks but it does go to show how poisonous and wasteful our class system is. how much talent and potential it squanders. how much richer our literature could be if we didnt write off a huge bite of the population.

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    instead we get this writing by numbers, this supposedly literary literature that perpetuates itself by ventriloquism, each book looking much like the last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    i dont know how he slipped through the cracks but it does go to show how poisonous and wasteful our class system is. how much talent and potential it squanders. how much richer our literature could be if we didnt write off a huge bite of the population.
    I get what you are saying here but he didn't "slip through the cracks" - he went from being a docker (apparently?) to making a living off music and being critically acclaimed all over the shop.

    Lots of other people who were as talented didn't do that.

    I reckon it is far less likely that someone would make that jump today though, despite all the nonsense about the internet democratising things. And the idea of a 40 year career in alternative music now is unthinkable too...

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    he didn't "slip through the cracks" - he went from being a docker (apparently?) to making a living off music and being critically acclaimed all over the shop.

    Lots of other people who were as talented didn't do that.
    not sure i grasp the distinction you're making? (he was a clerk rather than a docker i think. a docker's clerk)

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    oh... you think im saying he wasnt successful? slipped through the cracks meaning failed to get recognition? i meant the opposite actually. slipped through the blades of the threshing machine. wasnt cut down.

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    and how much richer our cultural life would be as a nation if more (equally talented as you say) had managed to do the same. one of my core beleifs is that talent far outweighs vaccancies for talent. and huge unconscionable amounts of it are squandered.

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    best thing about this doco is immediately as that smug self satisfied bloated pink head and observer magazine columnist stewart lee stops talking they cut in "the observer magazine just about sums him up eg self satisfied, smug"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny B View Post
    With print you substitute an ear
    For an extra useless eye
    "Benny's cobweb eyes"


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    "Male, white, mid-to-late 30s
    Serial Number 54129
    Going down fast "

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    and how much richer our cultural life would be as a nation if more (equally talented as you say) had managed to do the same. one of my core beleifs is that talent far outweighs vaccancies for talent. and huge unconscionable amounts of it are squandered.
    Exactly this. (and you have understood my misunderstanding too!). Another reason why Grime was so good and important...

    There is a good Fall primer by Stewart Lee in The Wire funnily enough - they just put some good bits on their website for free, including two very good "Invisible Jukebox" features and a live review by K-Punk. https://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing...smith-the-fall

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    i saw that. the invisible jukeboxes are hilarious. (i've got the later one but the earlier one is a year before i started reading the wire)
    it's very gratifying to know that he loved jungle, loved rap, but didn't rate eminem.

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    Is this that Goldie remix?

    I like the quote about not finding rough boys fascinating "I put one on crutches last week"

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