The TIME Barrier.

CORP$EY

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i know what you mean, rakim (and kane) are both somehow stiff, they still represent rapping as a performance art, their function is more rhythmical augmentation despite their lyrical sophistication

i wonder if this evolution of rap style is tied in with the BPM of beats slowing down?
 

luka

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it's helpful to look at someone incompetent to get a sense of how it works. talib kweli is good to look for the way he write too many syllables for the bar. they dont fit.
 

luka

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any fixed scheme, in my frame of prejudices, is less complex and less impressive than an open scheme because a fixed scheme, no matter how complicated, essentially writes itself. you just need to find the words to fit it.
 

luka

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so you have to wait for young thug till anyone approaches this level of understanding
 

luka

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fixed is a set pattern you adhere too. in poetry all verse forms are fixed forms for instance.
 

luka

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no one ever adheres to a completely rigid pattern obviously but its usually there providing a structure. just think of what is happening between the beat of the metronome
 

luka

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isn't an open scheme just a collection of different fixed schemes yolked together though? :cool:

only in as much as each line would have a certain number of stresses and syllables, long and short sounds etc etc. these are questions of degree to some extent but it's still a useful distinction.
 

CORP$EY

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Rakim = shakespeare, Young Thug = Allan Ginsberg

I would only question your contention that 'the words write themselves' in a fixed system.

EDIT: I've misquoted you, still I think I've got the gist
 
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CORP$EY

no mickey mouse ting
Sometimes it's harder to find the right words to fit a system than it is to just make up whatever system you like - cos then you can pick any words whatsoever, not to mention wearing a dress on your album cover, bloody whippersnappers
 

CORP$EY

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i guess it's a question of quality - it's easy to write a shit limerick, hard to write a good one

same with 'open systems' - easier still, in fact

anyway, this debate has gone thoroughly off piste from the main thread hasn't it?

it's gone too open system by far
 

luka

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it's hard in the way a logic puzzle or something is hard. it's hard but it's not really writing. it's plumbing. (to steal and recontextualise a beckett quote)
 
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