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    yeah probably but it was an interesting digression.

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    and still a lot better than watching mr tea and benny b argue about feminism.

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    it's an interesting way to think about rap music, actually - someone like freddie gibbs, say, is closed system, while kendrick is open system

    there's obviously a much bigger range of flows for modern rappers to use, but isn't there something lost in being so open? some loss of discipline. kendrick lamar can rap in whatever way he likes, he's open system, and maybe a more interesting artist than kool g rap, but a better rapper? i'm one of those who wish he'd stick to just rapping more

    OTOH kool g rap obviously has something else going on other than lyrics/flow cos Necro rips him off shamelessly and sounds like sylvester the cat and talks about nerdy splatter movie murders

    it's the voice isn't it - kendrick's annoying affected voices are what really grate about him. whereas necro has an annoying voice without even trying. EDIT: although actually thinking about it he's probably doing a bit of a kool g rap impersonation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CORP$EY View Post
    it's an interesting way to think about rap music, actually - someone like freddie gibbs, say, is closed system, while kendrick is open system

    there's obviously a much bigger range of flows for modern rappers to use, but isn't there something lost in being so open? some loss of discipline. kendrick lamar can rap in whatever way he likes, he's open system, and maybe a more interesting artist than kool g rap, but a better rapper? i'm one of those who wish he'd stick to just rapping more

    OTOH kool g rap obviously has something else going on other than lyrics/flow cos Necro rips him off shamelessly and sounds like sylvester the cat and talks about nerdy splatter movie murders

    it's the voice isn't it - kendrick's annoying affected voices are what really grate about him. whereas necro has an annoying voice without even trying.
    this is the other thing. mf doom is partly so awful despite being 'technical' cos he just says any old shit whereas nas can be technical and tell a story t the same time. it's much more advanced

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    kool g rap and nas are the two best writers in a kind of novelistic sense. the details, the arc of the narrative etc etc

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    what about?



    conscious we've turned this into ANOTHER rap thread but it was fun while it lasted

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    Rappers, I monkey flip 'em, with the funky rhythm I be kickin'
    Musician, inflictin' composition of pain
    I'm like Scarface sniffin' cocaine
    Holdin' an M16, see with the pen I'm extreme
    Now, bullet holes left in my peepholes
    I'm suited up in street clothes
    Hand me a 9 and I'll defeat foes
    Y'all know my steelo with or without the airplay
    I keep some E&J, sittin' bent up in the stairway
    Or either on the corner bettin' Grants with the cee-lo champs
    Laughin' at baseheads tryna sell some broken amps
    G-packs get off quick, forever niggas talk shit
    Reminiscin' about the last time the task force flipped
    Niggas be runnin' through the block shootin'
    Time to start the revolution, catch a body, head for Houston
    Once they caught us off-guard, the MAC-10 was in the grass and
    I ran like a cheetah, with thoughts of an assassin
    Picked the MAC up, told brothers, "Back up!" — the MAC spit
    Lead was hittin' niggas, one ran, I made him backflip
    Heard a few chicks scream, my arm shook, couldn't look
    Gave another squeeze, heard it click, "Yo, my shit is stuck!"
    Try to cock it, it wouldn't shoot, now I'm in danger
    Finally pulled it back and saw
    Three bullets caught up in the chamber
    So now I'm jettin' to the building lobby
    And it was full of children prob'ly, couldn't see as high as I be
    (So what you sayin'?) It's like the game ain't the same
    Got younger niggas pullin' the triggers, bringin' fame to their name
    And claim some corners, crews without guns are goners
    In broad daylight, stick-up kids, they run up on us
    45's and gauges, MAC's in fact
    Same niggas will catch you back-to-back
    Snatchin' your cracks in black
    There was a snitch on the block gettin' niggas knocked
    So hold your stash 'til the coke price drop
    I know this crackhead who said she got to smoke nice rock
    And if it's good, she'll bring you customers in measuring pots
    But yo, you gotta slide on a vacation
    Inside information keeps large niggas erasin' and their wives basin'
    It drops deep as it does in my breath
    I never sleep, ‘cause sleep is the cousin of death
    Beyond the walls of intelligence, life is defined
    I think of crime when I'm in a New York state of mind

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    I'm on the verge of commitin murder
    My girl is gettin on my last nerve and I don't wanna hurt her
    She wants me to get a job
    I get harassed cause I'm laying on my ass like a big slob
    But everywhere I go, I get rejected
    They won't hire a motherfucker with a jail record
    So the least I could do, is look presentable
    But I'm labelled by the city as a criminal
    They won't give me no slack, Jack
    And I got one strike against me already because my skin is black
    See I'm irrelevant to Help Wanted signs
    And they wonder why niggas commit crimes
    My girl pays the rent gas and light
    Goes to class at days and works at night
    I'm tryin' to get some money I can hand to her
    But I ain't with bein a motherfuckin' janitor
    Plus I got my little nigga
    And I'm tryin' my best to be the right kind of father figure
    But my hands is startin' to shake
    I'm tryin to hold my head because I'm reachin' for the thirty-eight
    I pick it up, man, fuck it
    I gotta go out and hit the street and get some ducats
    Lookin for somethin' to hit
    I throw on my hood, cause I'm about to do some stupid shit
    I step in the Seven-Eleven
    "Come fast with the cash or get your ass sent to heaven"
    He musta' hit the alarm, cause I'm perspirin'
    Cause now I'm hearin' motherfuckin' sirens
    I tried to run out, three thousand decent
    Next thing I know, I'm sittin' in a fuckin' precinct
    For tryin to feed a family
    I need rubber walls, cause I'm fallin off the edge of sanity

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    g rap is a next level genius. (i just copied and pasted those lyrics without checking them or anything probably not totally accurate)

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    also, i know you probably have always hated eminem but he definitely made a transition from a closed system (AZ aping) rapper on 'infinite' to a more open system rapper on 'SSLP'/'MMLP' to a closed system rapper who became only notable for his technical prowess at stringing words together ('the way i am' being the first demonstration of the new raging robot style)

    i reckon the most impressive rappers are those who adhere to a closed system but are able to easily, fluidly and consistently slip out of it. that's why eminem's viruosity on his first two (mainstream) albums was so much more impressive than his virtuosity on 'rap god', say (leaving aside the annoying voice)

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    and rakim had that too -

    it's been a long time...
    i shouldn't have left you
    ... without a dope beat to step too

    the illusion of regularity when actually he's doing constant ducking and diving variations

    it's all pulled off so smoothly

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    just something i thought of while in the shower, not ignoring you corpse
    with g rap (and nas) the pyrotechnics are in the service of the theme or narrative but when eminem and big pun take that style and exaggerate it to a cartoon the pyrotechnics become the whole point.

    Dead in the middle of Little Italy little did we know
    That we riddled two middlemen who didn't do diddly

    is a great lyric and it sort of means something but the meaning is secondary to the sound effects. with those two everything is about the hiss and pop and squelch of words and the relationships between words. it's like (and i feel like barty doing a 'like modal jazz' here) hopkins. where the verse is all about the sound fx


    I caught this morning morning's minion, king-
    dom of daylight's dauphin, dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding
    Of the rolling level underneath him steady air, and striding
    High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
    In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
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    Even on the same album you can see the difference

    'Dear Slim, I wrote you, but you still ain't callin'
    I left my cell, my pager and my home phone at the bottom
    I sent two letters back in autumn
    You must not've got 'em
    There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin'


    Like 'there probably was a problem at the post office or somethin' is a technically impressive line but it also sounds like something somebody ('STAN' in this case) could say 'accidentally'.

    I sit back, with this pack, of zigzags
    And this bag, of this weed
    It gives me, the shit needed to be, the most meanest MC on this
    On this earth 'cause since birth I've been cursed with this curse to just curse
    And just blurt this berserk and bizarre shit that works
    And it sells and it helps in its self to relieve
    All this tension dispensing me, sentence is getting it [THIS IS WRONG]
    The stress has been eating me, recently
    Off of this chest and I rest to get peacefully


    Whereas this is deliberately artifical and super structured (although arguably it works because its almost about pounding the message into the heads of the people who misunderstand him)
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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    in a retro-themed talk recently, i contrasted things like this
    put me in mind of this

    almost the polar opposite of the Scuba thing, in part b/c it's not just a collection of rave golden age signifers but also an evocation of the more universal experience of being on the cusp of adulthood, fucking around with your friends, creating the kind of memories you'll look wistfully back on 10, 20 years later. which after all is what people are really reflecting on. I also like how it manages to condense 20 years of nuum history into something that sounds contemporary (well 2010 contemporary) and not just like a pastiche. tbh I've always kinda thought that Zomby record sucked. plus how can you go wrong with Shola Ama.

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    the Scuba thing reminds me of a shitty Hollywood movie trying to evoke the 60s with bellbottoms, flowers, Strawberry Alarm Clock, The Doors, etc

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    any excuse to post my favorite rave era music video

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