Atlanta Rap 2014-2016
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sadmanbarty
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i think innovation happens when you create something genuinely and concretely novel in musicological terms that is able to express something new physiologically or emotionally (or at least finds a new way to express those things).
what i’ve taken from crowley’s post is that these future swag lot had the goal in mind, but I’d argue they hadn’t yet found to means to get there. it took till thug/homie quan to articulate what they were after in music terms.
also as i said before, it think there are two interrelated strands off the post-2014 stuff. one more timbre focussed (thug) and one more rhythm focussed (migos).
what i’ve taken from crowley’s post is that these future swag lot had the goal in mind, but I’d argue they hadn’t yet found to means to get there. it took till thug/homie quan to articulate what they were after in music terms.
also as i said before, it think there are two interrelated strands off the post-2014 stuff. one more timbre focussed (thug) and one more rhythm focussed (migos).
CrowleyHead
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Its more like the goalposts continuously go further and further once one has been reached. I briefly explained this to Luka when he grabbed me on twitter but a lot of these sounds come out of things that immediately preceded. So for example a lot of the snap rap and steel-pan sound, as well as the vibrancy and flighty energy of your Zaytoven type producers leading into this.
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Again it connects to this
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on a beat and structural level, but there's a differing mentality of presentation. The big damnation for a lot of this is ultimately Flocka. But the irony is Flocka was at first an abnormality and also in the more Future Swag grouping by default, but more obviously agressive and fight-music (the pendulum had shifted you see; by this point when Lil' Wayne & Young Money were doing Futuristic influenced songs such as "Bedrock" and "Steady Mobbin" and the 'happy rap' phenomenon had become mainstreamed so significantly that Grown Adult Rap needed to return; lo and behold, Flocka becomes dominant in Atlanta and the surrounding south off the strength of now that same youth network growing older and then looking for aggressive music that doesn't sound so shiny and polished, is more succeptible to the return of 'crunk'-type energies, only this time through the trapper lens.
But the big irony is before Flocka properly blows up, he does a joint tape with the other biggest act of his age group... Travis Porter!
So the guys who assist with songs like this:
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are still doing this.
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And ironically, despite you know, Ross blowing up Flocka's sound with Lex Luger which in turn helped Flocka supercede the fame of Gucci temporarily, his biggest song off of Flockavelli was the *drummroll* Roscoe Dash featured "No Hands"!
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(ironically Roscoe Dash (formerly called ATL or Yung ATL) I've left off here a bit but he had a loooot of airplay and was my no means a marginal figure)
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And last ironic note, just as evidence of the links more formally for barty from one of his points of interest:
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sadmanbarty
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Yeah, definitely interesting. You’ve educated me about a whole lineage I didn’t have a clue about. As you said the actual musical innovations weren’t there with the future swag stuff, but you’re definitely right that the young thug side of the aesthetic was being formulated around this time, even if it wasn't properly realised. not to mention a lot of the big names who’ve come to dominate the Atlanta sound were a part of the scene.
your next assignment is to explain the big shift in production that kicked off around 2015. due next sunday.
sadmanbarty
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i like how team barty and team crowley are the same split as 'i feel fur you' and 'ain't nobody'.
sadmanbarty
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though to be fair, corpse's only team crowley cause i keep annoying him with dm's.
luka
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corpsey is coming to our south-east london male encounter group for personal growth and better being this friday.
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(((((((sadmanbarty
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proper intimate. no macho nonsense
sadmanbarty
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make your way past the pets at home and luke will buzz you in. the smiley blond lady with frizzy hair might smile at you as you make your way along the hall. luka's door will open, though seemingly nobody will have opened it. you'll tentatively make your way through it. it'll be dark, your heart racing. weat dripping. is this the right thing to be doing? smoke and light will be emanating from the door that faces you. you want to turn back but an undeniable force pulls you closer. the door opens...
me and luka in his living room at 41.45
me and luka in his living room at 41.45
sadmanbarty
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you don't have to do anything you're uncomfortable with. it's supposed to be a welcoming environment. just because i have my shirt off doesn't mean you have to. all's welcome in the temple of now. the temple of you.
sadmanbarty
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don't let society tell you it's sexual. it's beyond that. beyond labels or taboo. just us. just breath. just being.
