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    Other bits:

    Nocturnal Emissions - Stoneface
    Scraping Foetus Off The Wheel - Nail
    Organum - Submission
    Einsturzende Neubauten - Halber Mensch
    Test Dept - The Unacceptable Face of Freedom
    Whitehouse - Great White Death

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    a gateway drug in as much as it serves as introduction to particular techniques and conceptual approaches.
    That's true, but there's always a thin line between that and becoming the DJ Shadow of the psychedelic underground.

    IIRC, Woebot slated him for plundering some African record he (Woebot) was fond of (well I guess both of them were...)

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    Coil is musically useless save for the novelty AIDS "Tainted Love" cover. Terrible group.

    Admittedly I'm incredibly biased against the TG camp because I consider all of them except Chris Carter loathsome people (he mostly escapes my judgement because he's too much of a nerd. You get the feeling if he hadn't fallen in with them he'd be like a Special Effects Guru for movies who people regarded as 'odd but decent'. Truly built to live in a basement.)

    Cabaret Voltaire were good. Einsturzende were good. Never got into NWW.

    Admittedly a lot of my dalliances with this comes with "Second Wave" or whatever stuff like Ministry b/c y'know, born in 89 and what have you. Al Jourgenson admitting in his book that he stole all the techniques he learned from Adrian Sherwood and then proceeded to use them as A Producer in the proper sense and not just vapid delusions of being the white Lee Perry. I respect that more than the sea of COUM performances or what have you.

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    John's lists are good.

    I'd definitely add:

    SPK: Information Overload Unit / Leichenschrei /Auto Da Fe - adds the whole 'Videodrome'/K-Punk element to the 'scene'...dripping with Cold War paranoia, disgust at the human form, car-crash cadaver/porn star mash-ups - all while being as noisy, narky and alienating as possible. Ended up as a dreadful synthpop act and then scoring the theme to 'Nip and Tuck'.

    Cabaret Voltaire: The Living Legends - the albums were good, but the short-burst single/EP tracks were brilliant. All the conspiracy weirdness of TG/PTV without the 'psychic youth' lifestyle crutch. If all white reggae was like 'Silent Command' I wouldn't have an issue.

    Nocturnal Emissions: Drowning In A Sea Of Bliss / Befehlsnotstand - John chose a softer ambient one, so here's their two major noisy works. Like hurtling through a Bladerunner-style, undeveloped, early 80s Docklands, complete with US army propaganda, clanking robot rhythms based on shield/baton riot police taunts, lab monkey screams mangled into ungodly feedback - and then sudden bursts of early hip hop. Stunning pair of albums. God knows how many hours of grim documentaries these people had to sit through to get the range of samples of extreme right drill sargeants, Christian ex-junkies, emotionless surgeons.

    Laughing Hands: Dog Photos - Australian obscurity that's criminally ignored in favour of 'shock jock', 2nd rate garbage. Totally bleak dystopian feel, but with real moments of beauty. No clue about the folks responsible.

    Consumer Electronics - Crowd Pleaser/Dollhouse Songs
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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    I've only seen TG once (at Village Underground) and I don't remember Mr Tea waving at me. He's quite good IRL so I probably would have said hello. I ended up standing behind some twats in Death In June t-shirts so possibly wasn't in the best of moods.
    Phew!

    Seconded on the Neubauten, they were great, very innovative. I like Drawings of Patient O.T. - all power tools, found objects being bashed together, skronky post-punk guitar/bass and Blixa B chanting and whispering like he hasn't slept in a few days. Though I dunno if they have any particular connection to the UK weirdo scene beyond the 'industrial' label.

    Any love for Cabaret Voltaire's slightly later, dancier, (*gulp*) more commercial stuff? 'Sensoria', 'I Want You', 'James Brown' etc. Slick and pleasingly cynical-sounding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    Phew!

    Seconded on the Neubauten, they were great, very innovative. I like Drawings of Patient O.T. - all power tools, found objects being bashed together, skronky post-punk guitar/bass and Blixa B chanting and whispering like he hasn't slept in a few days. Though I dunno if they have any particular connection to the UK weirdo scene beyond the 'industrial' label.

    Any love for Cabaret Voltaire's slightly later, dancier, (*gulp*) more commercial stuff? 'Sensoria', 'I Want You', 'James Brown' etc. Slick and pleasingly cynical-sounding.
    Neubauten were signed to Some Bizzare and did a collab with Fad Gadget... who accompanied them with G-PO at their infamous ICA gig where they tried to piledrive a hole in the stage.

    That mid 80s Cabs stuff was great too (and also on Some Bizzare).

    This was a big compilation for me: https://www.discogs.com/Various-If-Y...l/master/21529

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    John - would you recommend Irene's Cunt? Yet to sample it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    Neubauten were signed to Some Bizzare and did a collab with Fad Gadget... who accompanied them with G-PO at their infamous ICA gig where they tried to piledrive a hole in the stage.
    Ah, I'd forgotten about Collapsing New People, which is stupid because I will take any opportunity to play that tune at a party. Didn't know GPO was with them at the ICA gig, that is cool.

    Wasn't there some sort of re-enactment of the ICA performance about a decade ago? Which strikes me as a bit pointless, I dunno.
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    I guess I'll be the one to fly the flag for The Ape of Naples
    my mate jim loves coil and i saw him spunk about 50 on this at a record shop in cardiff. youre not alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    John - would you recommend Irene's Cunt? Yet to sample it.
    Like many people, I have yet to experience Irene's Cunt but am expecting to soon.

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    i might be exagerrating. it was expensive enough that he felt guilty about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrowleyHead View Post
    I consider all of them except Chris Carter loathsome people (he mostly escapes my judgement because he's too much of a nerd. You get the feeling if he hadn't fallen in with them he'd be like a Special Effects Guru for movies who people regarded as 'odd but decent'. Truly built to live in a basement.).
    Funnily enough, I've heard from certain people 'in the know' that he's more than capable of matching GPO when it comes to temper tantrums and unethical behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    Funnily enough, I've heard from certain people 'in the know' that he's more than capable of matching GPO when it comes to temper tantrums and unethical behaviour.
    That explains who ran the X-TG twitter account then.

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    Funny, as he was always the most ostensibly 'normal' one of the group - certainly the most conventionally musical - and tends to look a bit like a teacher.
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    always bit underwhelmed by Coil - w/o the heavy bolstering of all the ideas and references, as a purely sonic experience, does it really cut it?

    this one though has a gorgeous shudder of sound as it's main melody-riff


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