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    this score they did for a Derek Jarman short also very nice


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    This is one is cool (and has a *great* fan-made video):



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    I really like the first two Coil albums - and the "How to destroy angels" 12". I think they were amazingly innovative for the time, they always make me think of Heaven - the club on Charing X Road, not the place in the sky. It seems like the iconic sleazy 80s space that they would've inhabited.

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    As far as Coil goes i like Ape of Naples, Music to play in the dark and their first 3 albums, Coil at their best always felt like being engulfed in quicksand for me


    Nurse With Wound have always struck me as the group of that bunch that id like the most but i havent listen to much of although i did open for Sunn O))) once down Camden and i have to agree with Luka as far as vocals go cause i remember they had some weird Marc Almond lookin guy doing vocals and it kinda fucked with the vibe they were going for,that said Soliloquy for Lilith,A Sucked Lemon & Thunder Perfect Mind i all really like.

    Never really messed with Current 93s earlier stuff but i am upfront in that in the wrong mindset their music can be the goofiest shit on Earth.

    Im one of those weirdos who quite likes Foetus even that major label album he did that had "Mortgage" "Mighty Whitey" and that one song that sounded like a score out of a old Gladiator movie, i saw him do a gig once down the Cafe Oto some electro accoustic thing inspired by the hurricane that passed through New York wasnt bad and shook my mans Thirlwells hand afterwards seemed like a nice man.


    is Englands Hidden Reverse really worth reading though? i ask because ive known about it and thought about reading it for ages but its always been slightly out of my reach for some reason.

    also anybody here ever tried to listen to Legendary Pink Dots?

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    like i said at the start i like tunnel of goats

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    as i said on a different thread the book made me feel so grubby and contaminated i had to put it down but great if you want to know more about this lot and theyre personal histories.

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    keenan and simon reynolds have a personal rivalry and are always exchanging half-concealed barbs in print which i find very entertaining, having a taste for that sort of thing.

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    On the Strange Attractor website the description of the book includes mention of "a house in Muswell Hill where David Tibet of Current 93 receives a vision of Noddy crucified in the sky", which just took me straight back to http://www.blrrrecords.com/

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    great, my favorite kind of dissensus thread, people with deep knowledge holding forth on a subject!

    thanks to martin, john, + others for the recs. industrial is one of those things where I know considerably more about it than I've actually listened to. impenetrably vast, spotty discographies are a big factor - who has time to sift through it all? also just never been interested into whole swathes of it - the shock rock power electronics side, neofolk etc, the whole Ministry/Skinny Puppy etc thing. I'm sure all those have at least a few hidden gems but I don't care enough to sift for them.

    curious for expert thoughts on 2 things. first, anything beyond the usual TG/CV/NWW, Einsturzende, SPK, etc canon. the U.S. - Factrix, Monte Cazazza? lesser-known or slightly later British things - Zoviet France, Bourbonese Qualk, The New Blockaders, etc? anything from continental Europe besides Neubauten? Laibach? I would say Japanese noise too but seems like its whole own universe. again, just trying to cherrypick the best stuff.

    2nd - any recs on the dancier side. intentionally dancy or not. I know obv stuff like Hot On the Heels + Nag Nag Nag, as well as Sensoria + the like. doesn't have to be strictly industrial - anything in Suicide Commando, Collapsing New People, Dead Eyes Opened, kinda territory. I have a decent grasp on EBM, and minimal synth (as much as a non-specialist can), more interested in any kinda leftfield dance records I guess.

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    in general I get the vibe that a lotta the power of industrial was in the moment and it's mostly loss outside of that context

    otoh there's definitely bleedover into the 70s avant-garde, most obv w/NWW but also Germany + France, like if you look around enough you start seeing connections/continuations from krautrock to NDW, or French avant/prog to coldwave and experimental synth things.

    can see the huge appeal of something like the NWW list, or high-concept TG things, to a certain kind of young person in the pre-Internet age

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebEschatology View Post


    is Englands Hidden Reverse really worth reading though? i ask because ive known about it and thought about reading it for ages but its always been slightly out of my reach for some reason.

    also anybody here ever tried to listen to Legendary Pink Dots?
    I think it's a great book even if you don't like the music.

    LPD are OK but I don't really understand why someone would listen to them over some other psychedelic rock band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padraig (u.s.) View Post
    curious for expert thoughts on 2 things. first, anything beyond the usual TG/CV/NWW, Einsturzende, SPK, etc canon. the U.S. - Factrix, Monte Cazazza? lesser-known or slightly later British things - Zoviet France, Bourbonese Qualk, The New Blockaders, etc? anything from continental Europe besides Neubauten? Laibach? I would say Japanese noise too but seems like its whole own universe. again, just trying to cherrypick the best stuff.
    Monte Cazazza is an interesting figure but someone I always thought was more interesting interviews than on record. "To Mom On Mothers Day" is probably a classic early industrial single. People seem to rate his 2010 album "The Cynic" but I've not heard it.

    I saw Zoviet France recently and they were amazing. Also like the radio show they do (on Mixcloud) which is called "A Duck In A Tree" - very good industrial ambient. Intend to explore more but they were another one whose records I'd pick up in a shop and then put back because I had no idea where to start.

    Bourbonese Qualk, Clock DVA, The Box, Hula etc - All have good stuff but generally filed in my head as "like Cabaret Voltaire but not as good".

    Laibach - early stuff is a bit like Test Dept. "Opus Dei" is probably the classic LP though, with the totalitarian cover versions of disco hits. They now seem to be in a weird hinterland where a large section of their fans uncritically like the irony of the totalitarian aesthetic which I have misgivings about. They are nowhere near as dodgy as Death In June but there is an overlap with people who like wearing leather trousers and insignia.

    The New Blockaders - very influential "free noise" but I don't think you need much of it. That said their classic "Changez Les Blockeurs" is about the be re-released and there is going to be a whole remix album by Nurse With Wound of it which I am excited about. Will be forever cherished by me purely for this great quote "my Dad went all the way to Bristol to pay and see a man take a cabbage to pieces"

    Never really checked out much US stuff like Factrix, Tuxedomoon, Chrome etc (if they even count).

    Boyd Rice's two 80s albums as NON are superb but he is a dick so I am reluctant to recommend them.
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    I really like the two Monte Cazazza 7"s on Industrial Records ('To Mom On Mother's Day /Something for Nobody'). In some ways "Rabid Rats", "Candy Man" and "Mary Bell" epitomise that industrial ethos: media outrage, real life horror, etc, turned irreverently (and knowingly) into 'entertainment' - and riddled with black humour. He seems to have an interesting life, but yeah, never heard 'The Nihilist' either. I would recommend those two anyway, though probably via download as the vinyl's sadly entered collector prices hell. Speaking of Industrial Records, massive props to Slow Death by The Leather Nun - Motorhead meets TG with some pricelessly poor-taste lyrics.


    Bourbonese Qualk, Clock DVA, The Box, Hula etc - All have good stuff but generally filed in my head as "like Cabaret Voltaire but not as good".
    - a spot-on assessment, although Clock DVA did have flashes of genius.

    Boyd Rice's 'Mode of Infection' and 'Rise' EPs are well worth a listen. I like the concept of 'Pagan Muzak' too, even if I never want to listen to the damn thing! After that, it was all soundtracks for Saturday afternoon rallies in Charlottesville (though, must admit, 'People' makes me laugh - dock me 300 Antifa points).

    In terms of dancey industrial, would recommend most stuff by Severed Heads - esp. Blubberknife, Since The Accident and City Slab Horror. If you like Chris & Cosey, you should dig SH, though they could easily turn on the noise/skree with the best of early SPK when they felt like it.

    Do Die Form (France) count as dancey industrial? Straddling electro/industrial, with a focus on kinky sex and black magic that seems a bit juvenile in retrospect. Trying to be edgy with titles like "Sex By Force", etc. Though the bloke behind them did do this really eerie tape as Krylon Hertz in 1978, which is all over the blogs and which hits the spot for me.

    Italy had this 'ritual industrial' scene, with scores of weirdos making music using Korgs and thigh bones, with endless references to Crowley and the 93rd Aeon, or whatever. John E will surely know more about this- to be honest, a lot of it sounded like the same person. This was a bit later though, when PTV were making acid records and sub-Happy Mondays indie, and Grey Wolves were being the 'new Whitehouse'.

    Special shout out's due to Controlled Bleeding from the US - their 'Knees and Bones' album is tuneless, irritating noise, and pretty much the equivalent of a baby throwing shit around to infuriate its parents, but has a gleeful "look, I'm making a record!" charm to it that makes it quite loveable - from the cover art of a badly drawn scientist destroying his own face with rats, to the bit 10 mins in where his little sister gatecrashes the recording session to complain about the noise while she's trying to study. "I don't wanna go down the library!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by padraig (u.s.) View Post
    in general I get the vibe that a lotta the power of industrial was in the moment and it's mostly loss outside of that context

    can see the huge appeal of something like the NWW list, or high-concept TG things, to a certain kind of young person in the pre-Internet age
    I kind of agree. Seems almost ludicrous now that 'taboo' subjects like S&M, etc, were ever that shocking - especially post-tumblr.

    Things in the UK were a lot more regimented then - much more illiberal, and with a much wider gulf between young and old people. I get the whole punk/industrial thing about delving into dark areas, to expose the filth behind the veneer of 'respectable society' - Denis Nilsen vs state-sanctioned slaughter in Northern Ireland and the Falklands, etc etc. I think people were just more shockable then, anyway. You can spend an hour on YouTube and find way more offensive stuff than TG ever covered.

    Industrial just seemed to go that much further than punk. The Sex Pistols caused an outrage but were basically playing rock and roll - SPK and TG actually wanted to sound like factory floors. The anarcho-punks might have looked weird, used bad language and wanted the end of government, but at least their goals were somewhat utopian - not idolising some hippy banged up for allegedly inciting mass slayings. The problem I (personally) found is that you can end up staring into the abyss a bit too long - these people were dedicated to exposing THEE LIE but also creating numerous fictions themselves. Next thing you know, you're unwrapping a tape or LP with a totenkopf or AWB symbol and can't help wonder where it's all heading - the symbols started to become the point, as the music/originality invariable deteriorated.



    Should also add that Facebook makes it very hard to maintain 'cult outsider mystique' - especially when you have members of Ramleh arguing over who can eat the hottest chilli, and suddenly get Philip Best's mum as a friend recommendation.

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    Then again, with drone tech, dole claimants setting themselves on fire, military policing, fake news, etc etc etc, industrial's tendencies to narky paranoia and fascination with urban apocalypse make it a fitting soundtrack for now too.

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