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    Can someone explain the crossover here?

    Is it just an accusation based on opposition to Isreal? Or is there some sort of weird left-wing/jew-hating interface?

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    i'd expect tories to be antisemitic tbh and communism was of course linked with judaism in the eyes of the the nazis (probably to at least some degree insanely)

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    if you assume anti semitism is prevalent at all levels and in all sections of society then you divide all english people into two halves, one called labour and one called tories, it seems inevitable that each group will harbour anti semites.

    it's just the right tends to support israel without question, the left not so much and anti-semites find refuge under a free palestine flag. im sure oliver will give you a fine grain historical run down with specific example etc though.

    he is still bitter about oona king.

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    not lookin foward to this thread though

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    Quote Originally Posted by CORP$EY View Post
    i'd expect tories to be antisemitic tbh and communism was of course linked with judaism in the eyes of the the nazis (probably to at least some degree insanely)
    As was capitalism, of course. A cornerstone of Nazi ideology was that both Marxism and capitalism were "Jewish conspiracies".
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    We did this already. I dont think anything substantive has happened since.

    http://www.dissensus.com/showthread.php?t=13672&page=15

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    luka's right about it being found across society, although it does seem to be more prevalent among the extremes of right (as everyone knows) and left (which some people aren't so keen to acknowledge). Labour probably does get a disproportionate amount of stick on this score but it's perhaps inevitable given the dominance of right-wing media in this country and the fact that people expect a left-wing party to be more progressive about race and identity than a right-wing one. For all that, far too many people seem to think "But there are racist Tories too!" constitutes a reasonable response when some Momentum bellend tweets something ghastly about "Zionists" or whatever, when it clearly does not.
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    This is also part of the lamentable rise of conspiracy theory based politics.

    The roots of some of this lie with new-Labour's toadying up to "community leaders" for the Muslim vote in the 90s:
    https://libcom.org/library/croissant...muslim-britain

    Also social media.

    My impression is that you would be far less likely to find anti-semites in the Labour Party than in the Tories and that the few examples which have been found have been exploited for political gain by opponents of Labour. But that is politics for you.

    I say this as someone who is not particularly a fan of Corbyn or Labour.

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    feel free to close the thread

    i was being lazy instead of actually paying attention to the news


    thanks for all your responses though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    As was capitalism, of course. A cornerstone of Nazi ideology was that both Marxism and capitalism were "Jewish conspiracies".
    Actually it was globalised finance capitalism they were against. they were fine with aryan industrial capitalism, and fine with enslaving slavs as an exploitable population.

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    the sino-soviet derived anti-imperialist left has always had this dark side to it, and its red brown face has only become more pronounced after 1989.

    You can see this in corbyn's foreign policy, straight out of a cold war textbook.

    What John says about labour kowtowing to muslim leaders is true but their (the leaders and orgs) antisemitism is often recycled from christian far rightests, Europe and USA, has been since the 1950s and earlier. It's not simply anti-jewish prejudice, it's the modern european version of the eternal jew crudely adapted to middle eastern dynamics. This actually disadvantages 90% or more of muslims, and hampers secularised abstract critiques from organically emerging in these communities.
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    was having far too much last night i suppose i better delete these

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    Actually it was globalised finance capitalism they were against. they were fine with aryan industrial capitalism, and fine with enslaving slavs as an exploitable population.
    I'm talking about their rhetoric more than their actual policies. And there was a 'left wing' of the party that was anti-capitalist in the broad sense until it was purged in 1934.
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    https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2...mitism-claims/

    Smeeth has been one of the key figures in Labour arguing that under Jeremy Corbyn the party has faced a supposed “anti-semitism” crisis – and she has claimed to be one of the prime victims of anti-Jewish abuse inside Labour. She alleged in the British media that she had personally received some 25,000 abusive messages online, most of them via Twitter, in a few days in June 2016, during a spat over the Chakrabarti inquiry’s findings on anti-semitism and the Labour party.

    There’s just one problem with her claim. There is no easy way to see how it could possibly be true – not by a very long shot indeed. A new study by the Community Security Trust identified only 15,000 anti-semitic tweets for the whole of the UK in a 12-month period that included June 2016. Either the study was grossly flawed, or Smeeth – how can I put this? – has an extremely poor grasp of maths.

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