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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    These days it's much more interesting to find out about pirate radio in Hull, or reggae soundsystems in Huddersfield than London stuff.

    Hackney Museum are planning an exhibition about black music in the borough and I am helping them with some bits.

    I love London and don't want to live anywhere else, even now, but it's pretty dumb to ignore the contributions made to the culture by places like Bristol, Birmingham and Sheffield especially.
    they made some good records (some early roni size stuff for instance) but they contributed absolutely nothing beyond that and it would be patronising tokenism to suggest otherwise imo

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    whereas LA, Memphis, Atlanta, Houston, etc all made distinctive regional variations and mutations of rap music. you cant claim provinical centres in the UK did the same with hardcore continuum. if they didnt exist nothing would be different at all

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    bassline= welsh garage

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    they made some good records (some early roni size stuff for instance) but they contributed absolutely nothing beyond that and it would be patronising tokenism to suggest otherwise imo
    Birmingham was number 2 city in the UK for reggae soundsystems in the 70s and 80s.

    Also I don't think you can ignore the role of places like Milton Keynes in 'ardkore.

    Sheffield's Bleep and Bass stuff has to count for something too.

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    Birmingham was number 2 city in the UK for reggae soundsystems in the 70s and 80s.

    Also I don't think you can ignore the role of places like Milton Keynes in 'ardkore.
    what im saying is those provinical centres dont change the direction. they're tributaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    ignore Milton Keynes
    i always do

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    benny b=welsh

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    I guess fundamentally the UK is a small place. The big cities in the US are so far apart geographically that it isn't a surprise that their music is different. Even the farthest apart cities in the UK are about as removed from each other as two cities in the same American state might be.

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    i think an under discussed reason for the decline is that the external musical stimuli feeding the hardcore continuum were in decline. i'd argue rap was in a bad way between 2004-2014, dancehall after 2010 or so, us and european dance music probably since the late 90's.

    you could point to 2step emerging from the innovations of todd edwards and timbaland. or garage rap and grime owing something to ward 21-style dancehall and the popularisation of southern rap. but by 2010 these sources of inspiration weren't particularly fruitful.

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    Yeah London is just a tributary of the US really

    (That oughta piss Luka off teehee)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Yeah London is just a tributary of the US really

    (That oughta piss Luka off teehee)
    getting close to woebots epic trolling about jungle being just another kind of detroit techno and owing nothing to reggae

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    there was ths perpetually grumpy lad on here called mms once who always used to want to talk about belgium.
    obsessed with belgium and how it invented hardcoer.

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    i do find the link between places and the art produced 'by' them quite fascinating

    e.g. what was it about Ireland in the late 19th/early 20th century that produced joyce, yeats and beckett...

    Sometimes it's just about where the money is, and the power (e.g. Rome/Florence in Renaissance Italy). Or the political/social conditions.

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