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    i always remember blowing into a mouth organ or something, a long time ago
    and being startled at how much information it gave away. the fact of being linked to breath
    and lung, i could hear the wheeze, the tiredness, the tentativeness, the state of both
    body and mind, just in one cautious parp

    i think as you get used to the instrument you can learn to lie, to put on a face
    but not being familiar with it i completely gave myself away and the truth fell out

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    yeah i don't really care if music involves 'real' instruments or not

    otoh with e.g. jungle there's a difference in hearing a drum break, there's definitely a physicality to that sound, you can 'see' it being played by a drummer, and an urge i've always felt at least to air-drum along with an amen/think that i don't get with electronic drums

    by contrast you can't possibly imagine a human 'playing' a 303 acid line

    but acid house, and a 303 line, can be a potent creator of physical reactions, can be very sexy/sleazy
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    there is a difference definitely. and a lot of the
    effects you get from digital music rely on
    you reading it as a movement. i suppose there
    is still a kind of movemeent and compresed
    molecules and buffeted air and the vibrations
    of the tympanic membrane etc

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    you might also have a music designed to lift you out of the body
    entirely, either into trance, or into the sphere of disembodied
    cerebation

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    i wrote this early last year. i dont know if it helps

    Within the infinite shadings of tension and release, will and surrender. The inbreath is a sucking at the nipple. Warm, enveloping, humid, close, hot colours, oranges, reds, CARNATION PINK. This is the erotic world of everlasting delight. Squirming, sliding, very lovely and lubricious. BOTH MEANINGS INTENDED.

    Yet! When I asked them, who is the puppeteer who pulls the strings? Who is behind the RED VELVET CURTAIN? I arrived instantaneously in a White, bright, Nordic bath house, mind was very clear with the white steady flame of Intellect. THERE ARE OTHER WORLDS.

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    i think it was on i love music someone was watching one of the deja vu videos, possibly conflict, and they said both titch and kano did 'the walking dance' at some point in the set, and titchs was jerky and twitchy aggressive and overbearing, and when kano did it it was smooth and fluid and that they way they did the walking dance was the exact cognate of the way they mc'd

    it was well observed. these are ways of being.
    a bearing. a set of assumptions about the world at large, about other people
    and the society you are embedded in.

    whether you doff the cap or walk with your nose in the air.
    whether you stoop or strut.

    Deference bows the body
    Servility is bad posture
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    or you can think about the rastafarian notion of the 'deep medi' the mind slowed to profound contemplation and how that is modelled and induced by roots music and by dub.

    this is the sort of thing im getting at when i ask

    what elegances does it encode? what excellencies?
    what sophistications of understanding and attainment?
    what does it aspire to?
    what is the good life?
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    what happens when you slow the time-pulse?
    weed does this of course. elongates the moment.
    you become less reactive. you can examine
    thoughts and feelings as they emerge
    turn them around in your hands
    like a vase.

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    what about the adrenaline dump you get with amphetamines?

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    irresistible to bring up dubstep at this point ('deep medi' being mala's label - 'meditate on bass weight' etc.)

    dubstep was very eyes-down music, for some reason - the bass was something you wanted to be enclosed in (although i'm thinking of a specific strand of dubstep here, not so much the skream/caspa/benga end of things). certainly wasn't courting music by any stretch of the imagination/body.

    also, it could be misleading to imagine it as 'meditative' in the sense of making you think about things, and i think this obviously put people off it and set it up for ridicule because it's like some sort of pompous communion of chin-strokers... but actually, the meditative aspect (if it works for you) is complete immersion IN the music, so that the music obliterates all other thoughts

    it would be interesting to take a musical idea and decorate/embellish it 'up' and strip it 'down' to see what different physical effect that had, what different physical movement the same idea can be made to embody

    i'm sure remixes could be pointed to here, and cover versions

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    also, it could be misleading to imagine it as 'meditative' in the sense of making you think about things
    it's a kind of awareness not a kind of cerebation.

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    i pointed to this few weeks ago as a good example of two metabolism in misalignment and miscommunication.



    and that manifesting itself partly as a wrestle over tempo.

    actors talk all the time about the 'physicality' of a character they are playing.
    and that because it is a guide to metabolism, to sense of self and sense of
    others and world. whether it is hostile or friendly etc

    this is all there in music in a very vivid way.

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    i dont want to use this thread to set up heirarchies of value. to say
    this is good and this is bad but rather to assess music on its own
    terms and come to a better understanding of what it is exactly
    that is does, and how.

    which region of experience is it mapping out and invoking\?

    where is this?


    where is this?


    where is this?


    where is this?
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    You're not getting me to listen to miles davis i don't care

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    you can get with this or you can get with that

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