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    Default The only music worth its salt is psychedelic..

    ...and by that I mean music which speaks to the existence of transcendent realities.

    On this the 75th anniversary of Albert Hoffman discovering LSD.

    Because I'm an old fart I'm of the opinion that the reason 99.99% of today's music, young people's music, does not speak to me is that it ISN'T psychedelic.

    And I reckon young people too (under 30s) are aware of this gaping hollowness in their music as well. That's why so many of them (and us older people) still fixate on older music that was informed by the psychedelic experience.

    I'm talking about the far out music of the 60s/70s/80s/90s.

    There are the odd breakouts of insanity after 1996 but not enough to sustain everyone's interest.

    Is there a properly modern psychedelic music? Is the dreaming going on in other arenas of culture?

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    I balk at this notion but perhaps I'm not understanding you and have too narrow a notion of what constitutes psychedelic music...

    Certainly I think a lot of music nowadays lacks ambition and a sense of meaningfulness

    If you mean something more sonically psychedelic I'm more in agreement - e.g. my thread on where are the rnb geniuses, I'm constantly astounded by Timbaland Missy Elliot and the Neptunes production from the late 90s/early aughts. The sweet spot for me is the fusion of psychedelic/out there sonics with pop music. Even ardkore had this, and of course jungle and garage and grime...

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    Will this be the thread that tempts the hermit Luka down from his cloud/cave?

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    This was always my plea to the trance crowd - psychedelic is a synonym for 'good' or 'effective'.
    Needless to say it fell on deaf ears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lichen View Post
    Needless to say it fell on deaf ears.
    Well I guess that's a risk you take by going to trance nights.

    It's a scene I know nothing about and generally avoid like the plague, but isn't there a whole subgenre called 'psytrance', with the 'psy' presumably standing for 'psychedelic'? Of course whether it's actually psychedelic in any meaningful sense is probably open to debate.
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    The goa / psy end of it was the bit I got involved in.
    I lived with devotee in the early 90's and went to parties with him.
    It was essentially a public school acid cult presided over by an ageing Australian prog rocker.
    It threw up the odd good record, and the parties were often in stunning places - no wonder given that many of its acolytes owned swathes of the UK.

    Makes me feel a bit queer thinking about it all really.

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    Luka and I were talking about something related lately, the question of whether you can have truly great literature without a spiritual dimension or spiritual belief involved (even if the artist is reacting against it). I suppose the sort of psychedelica you're talking about is spiritual rather than sensual.

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    One of the only songs that's occuring to me here is Lil B's 'I'm God', with his cry 'Somebody tell the trees I'm the best out!' And Clams Casino's very psychedelic, dreamlike beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woebot View Post
    ...and by that I mean music which speaks to the existence of transcendent realities.

    On this the 75th anniversary of Albert Hoffman discovering LSD.

    Because I'm an old fart I'm of the opinion that the reason 99.99% of today's music, young people's music, does not speak to me is that it ISN'T psychedelic.

    And I reckon young people too (under 30s) are aware of this gaping hollowness in their music as well. That's why so many of them (and us older people) still fixate on older music that was informed by the psychedelic experience.

    I'm talking about the far out music of the 60s/70s/80s/90s.

    There are the odd breakouts of insanity after 1996 but not enough to sustain everyone's interest.

    Is there a properly modern psychedelic music? Is the dreaming going on in other arenas of culture?
    I disagree. I think most modern music is psychedelic. 21 Savage is a good example - the space - but pretty much any hiphop now, plus all modern dance pop. It's just that the drugs have changed. Modern acid is super lite compared to Leary's dosage, modern psychedelics are different, more functional, leading to a perpetual state of psychedelic being. All music changes are just based on ingestion and the modern pill stuff (oxycontin, laced weed etc) are no less psychedelic, it's just that the states of awareness (see definition of psychedelic) have changed. See also Trump's speech patterns, etc. Everything is psychedelic nowadays. Just not in the way it used to mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woebot View Post
    Is there a properly modern psychedelic music? Is the dreaming going on in other arenas of culture?
    unequivocally, yes.

    there is a local scene here that has all the hallmarks of psychedelia: music as communal experience (shared band members, little rivalry, local following), awful lp art/branding, mantric principles in music (drone, ecstatic sound) and a tendency to stretch things out in a way that is very psychedelic. it has been around for some time (eg. tobias alcayota in late 90s) but started to pick up in the late 00s. at its best it feels like gliding over the music in slow motion leading to losing oneself in sound..

    there is a small audience for this, for example last week a full cosmic sound and camera (surprisingly good berlin band) to a packed house, then chicos de nazca on thursday in top form. i believe there is a similar psych/kraut thing going on elsewhere, eg. minami deutsch in japan, but here it's more loop than can if that makes sense. so a repetition of the early 90s in communal feeling and trance sound. this scene is now petering out, and it's debatable how novel the sound is, but psychedelia is alive and well in the most unlikely of places, at least for the time being.

    examples in every time/style:

    tobias alcayota, 1999


    chicos de nazca, 2011


    glorias navales, 2016


    la hell gang, 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruno View Post
    unequivocally, yes.
    thanks for this bruno. going to look at this in detail.

    not sure it actually feels psychedelic in some ways but this guy has a definite agenda
    http://www.factmag.com/2016/11/30/sp...lls-interview/

    i suppose the truth is that sometimes the most unlikely things that contain that spark of cosmic insight


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    it's probably easier to think of psychedelic like Balearic. in that a record becomes Balearic, or rather the Balearic elements of a record are foregrounded by putting it in a Balearic context.

    as opposed to a genre per se. there is a generic psychedelia operating in the same way as happy hardcore or psytrance does now.
    out of step with time. just supplying a kind of universal generic revelation or unchanging initiatory ritual.
    but that is, uninteresting.

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    I'd say this "cosmic" stuff Played in discos and at parties in northern Italy/southern Germany from the late 1970s - mid 1980s was quite psychedelic too. There are threads on this pehnomenon on here and also loads of digitized mixtapes on youtube. DJ Baldelli etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefinga View Post
    I'd say this "cosmic" stuff Played in discos and at parties in northern Italy/southern Germany from the late 1970s - mid 1980s was quite psychedelic too. There are threads on this pehnomenon on here and also loads of digitized mixtapes on youtube. DJ Baldelli etc.
    there's a Baldelli thread somehwere here \Woebot started

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    it's probably easier to think of psychedelic like Balearic. in that a record becomes Balearic, or rather the Balearic elements of a record are foregrounded by putting it in a Balearic context.
    BALEARIC!!!! That's exactly right!!! Finding the psychedelic aspects of pop.

    I don't think truly psychedelic pop is false consciousness though. Very Marxist argument.


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