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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    c) is (or was) actually racist
    Not to split hairs here but the style isn't inherently racist, b/c there are practitioners who are not White Men nor for whom racism, facism or that sort of thing hold any appeal like it did for the Norweigians, of whom that was a tight-knit circle of middle class edgelords (and even then, bands like Immortal weren't racist in practice nor did they have members who spouted that nonsense).

    Also you've got bands who came before who weren't racist such as Mercyful Fate, Sarcofago (who were from South America)... It's a scene that's become rife with racism but it isn't because it's that way by default.

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    Ah I thought the Norwegians invented it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Ah I thought the Norwegians invented it
    Nah, technically it first gets conceptualized by a (probably) racist British Band Venom and then it gets imported all over Europe and the US. Norwegians made it 'popular' though.



    82 (Brits)



    84 (Swedes)



    84 (Swiss)



    86 (Japanese)



    87 (Brazilians)

    And a lot of the Norwegians actually came out of doing death metal.

    To tie this into the actual thread convos and kind of let the diatribe die for the sake of correcting corpsey, arguably the big fact here is that once a scene is centered around a narrative one believes that this scene who is sold to a music enthusiast audience is the main source of who 'evolved' the music, and often goes outside of the genre enthusiast hands who'd argue this was derivative or just rehashing ideas by so-and-so. Because so often the case, music enthusiasts argue that genre fans are limited in their insistent need to praise that which might not be satiating on a digestible manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padraig (u.s.) View Post
    I did try to think of every non-Euro/U.S./Japan avant-garde electronic person I could + all I came up with was:

    Francis Bebey, Mammane Sani, Jocy de Oliveira, Mimaroglu, Gökçen Kaynatan, Dariush Dolat-Shahi. I'm sure that's not exhaustive, but still.
    Alireza Mashayekhi!

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    iran is looking big for me atm.

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    this is apparently sound sculpture + turkish harp. haven't listened yet. https://erdemhelvacioglu.bandcamp.co...ting-universes

    actually my aim with this thread was not to invalidate the western avant-garde, not at all, they made quite a bit of seminal music that is more emotionally timeless than a significant amount of what we have today. i mean i love xenakis.

    I just wanted to bring it into a dialogue with its multiple others.
    Last edited by thirdform; 14-09-2018 at 03:49 PM.

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