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    Such a white category, more than other genres?

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    apart from the japanese: look at this list.

    https://rateyourmusic.com/list/youma...nd-electronic/

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    is it the consciously middle class (or academic) cultivation of abstract aesthetics?

    or was it a category designed to disavow the black and brown musics it relies on, to make marketing more palatable to a certain oppositional demographic?

    I can't but feel that if you're not white and into all of this stuff, you're essentially a weirdo. whereas its almost a right of passage to go there in much hip music circles.

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    As much as fetishisation of technology sonically ultimately blinds itself to politics, i do not think that the erotic fascination with tech is necessarily intrinsically bad.

    Nor do i believe that all music has to be pop, i mean it's a very recent invention, globally that is.

    And it's not as if higher musical dimensions solely exist in Europe or jazz.

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    what is experimental electronic in this context? basically IDM and its offshoots? aphex and his descendents?

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    probably just an atavistic western dualism/separation of mind and body head and heart at root
    if you are saying what i think you are saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    Such a white category, more than other genres?
    Well, its roots are in the European & American academies, so sure, but I cant help but think of Stockhausen complaining about Aphex Twin's 'African Rhythms'.

    But there's been radical electronic music enclaves all in India, the middle east & North Africa amongst other places. Also, the new wave is latin/queer/black/mixed/female:



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    Interesting topic. I've nothing informed to say about it but here are some thoughts:

    I'm not sure if IDM was about disavowing black music from the POV of its practitioners or something projected onto or discovered in it by music critics. Like I doubt Aphex Twin determinedly set out to make 'white jungle' or something, but he came from a different cultural background and that naturally pushed him in different directions. And avant garde electronic music has roots in the very white world of 20th century classical music (John Cage, Stockhausen, et al) and conceptual art.

    Having said that, there is always a degree of this in certain areas of the nerdosphere - preferring to listen to Grime instrumentals (or dubstep, as Luka would say) than Grime with MCs. (Again, this usually wouldn't be a consciously racist thing so much as a matter of the culture people come from.)

    Kanye is an interesting figure in this regard, especially given his recent attempt at divorcing himself in some way from his blackness - he started out sampling soul records and over the years has rebelled more and more against that traditional black music role to incorporate 'white' Euro influences.

    I think people who make this music and listen to it are probably seen as weirdos from the POV of most ppl white and black but there's perhaps more freedom for white ppl to pursue these more abstract artforms without being accused of being effete or bourgeoisie or whatever.

    As you say, this sort of art (not just music) is very middle-class, perhaps because it requires a certain degree of education/'cultivation' to understand why listening to e.g. abrasive white noise might be pleasurable or interesting and not just anhedonic and pretentious. The rise of Kanye et al in rap music is probably to do with the concurrent rise of the black middle class in America - and the (comparative) freedom that comes with this to explore and experiment with identity, sexuality, gender and sound.

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    aphex twin was a genius for a little while.

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    ^totaly bland conventional opinion but just in case no one knew i share it^

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    lets face it art and fashion are mainstream at the moment. topshop probably started, or H&M

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    street rappers trading off authenticity have personal stylists and a highly considered graphic design aesthetic.

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    Id argue that the academy is in fact a victim of its own success. The story of late 20th century music & beyond is the permeation of popular & genre music with experimental electronic techniques, aesthetics and sonics.

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    is Actress encompassed by 'experimental' or is he seen as more straight techno?

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    Quote Originally Posted by droid View Post
    Id argue that the academy is in fact a victim of its own success. The story of late 20th century music & beyond is the permeation of popular & genre music with experimental electronic techniques, aesthetics and sonics.
    i dont know how direct the lines of influence were the most part but the bottom line is everything is up for grabs now and those old demaractions have lost any force they once had. everyones off the reservation now.

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