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    Quote Originally Posted by firefinga View Post
    I am pushing 40 for crying out loud. I would feel idiotic to enthusiastically big up new music. Doesn't mean I am not interested.
    imagine having to write a review of the new playboi carti album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    I dont talk about new music. and i didnt post in either of those threads but they were both huge in
    terms of influence.
    I liked the debate about EDM. Despite the fact I am thinking EDM is among the most horrible music-movements I have ever witnessed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    I was thinking only the other day about critics vs. musicians - has there been many/any good critic-practitioners in music?
    loads.

    many classical and 20th Century avant-garde composers were critics and essayists and theorists - Wagner, Schoenberg, John Cage, Michel Chion, Pierre Schaeffer, Pauline Oliveros, Michael Nyman, lots more...

    and often they were in fruitful dialogue with critics - Wagner and Nietzche (who also did a bit of composing himself) had an intense relationship, extremely mutually warm at first(Nietzche moved in with RW and his bird Cosima) but ultimately leading to a parting of the ways (whereupon Nietszche wrote no less than three anti-Wagner books!)

    Eno is a paradigm example of someone whose thoughts on music (and culture generally) ought to be compiled into a book (his Diary With Swollen Appendices is great fun but isn't quite that)

    Green Gartside, Momus, David Byrne, Drew from Matmos.... all could have / should have /actually have written books

    But do you mean critics who are primarily or initially only critics, and then move into music?

    there's quite a few examples of that syndrome - Greg Tate with his black rock group Burnt Sugar, Paul Morley with Art of Noise (in a sense) and Infantjoy, Patti Smith and Lenny Kaye, more that i'm blanking on

    at one point i was going to write an article on the phenomenon

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    the phrase that leapt out to me in that FACT piece was the idea that - thanks in part to streaming - music has become "a one pass medium like film"

    that's been my relationship with most incoming music (new and new-old - meaning old thing not heard before) for a good while

    you listen to it once and then the profusion of other possibilities out there forces you onwards - you might mean to go back for a second pass but you rarely do

    a byproduct of the churn is that there is something intensely pleasurable and throwback-blissful about those rarer and rarer times when you do get stuck on something and just have to replay it over and over - it's like slipping back into analogue time and an attention economy based around scarcity of options

    also related is the voluptuous pleasure of listening to an old favourite - just spurning all the other options, the things you should check out, and going back to something you love for the umpteenth listen

    a bit like the indulgent pleasure of rereading a favorite book (when there's so many other things - new and classic - you should be getting to)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    there's quite a few examples of that syndrome - Greg Tate with his black rock group Burnt Sugar, Paul Morley with Art of Noise (in a sense) and Infantjoy, Patti Smith and Lenny Kaye, more that i'm blanking on
    Lester Bangs!


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    Quote Originally Posted by droid View Post
    Lester Bangs!
    morrissey. chrissie hynde.

    [edit] and neil tennant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    a byproduct of the churn is that there is something intensely pleasurable and throwback-blissful about those rarer and rarer times when you do get stuck on something and just have to replay it over and over - it's like slipping back into analogue time and an attention economy based around scarcity of options
    Yes, this is a rare and joyful experience. I think it last happened to me with this



    Interesting re: critics/practitioners. I sometimes wonder if all of us music nerds on dissensus should put our money where our mouth is, so to speak, and make the music we yearn for, but then I think 'isn't the music we all love made by people who wouldn't be pontificating about music on dissensus?' And then I cry and I want to die.

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    thats why you need to fulfil your side of the bargain so that barty is forced to make us a tune.
    see how it comes out.

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    I think you would be a perfect sounding board if I was making music or something cos I know you wouldn't be polite - you'd call a shite a shite

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    yeah ive made quite a few people cry. its good for them though. you sent me a trap beat you made once
    i actually thought it was good. depression is boring becasue you just sort of give up doing anything
    fun and interesting. run all these self-defeating scripts about why its pointless to try to do anything

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    few things get my back up as much as what we students of human nature call self-defeating scripts

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    music critics who aren't musicians themselves are better - although usually focus on wrong things when writing bout music - than lapsed musicians-turned-critics. Those usually are full of resentment and jealousy.

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    and speaking of musicians - or in this specific case rather producers - the popularity of youtube was also - somewhat - a blow to music-based webforums which often had subforums focussing on music productions. Those countless youtube tutorials on DAWs and whatnot rendered those parts of the forums totally useless.

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    sounds like NLP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    sounds like NLP
    yeah its just therapy jargon.
    there is a direct line of descent from freud to nlp

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