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Thread: Jordan Peterson thinks it makes sense to compare humans with lobsters

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    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    sloterdijk = peterson is a pretty hot take
    a much more sophisticated version. but the game is the same game.
    it's creating metaphors and models for experience. it's not an application of logic
    or whatever. it's not formal and procedural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny B View Post
    There's a good one in Kate Millet's Sexual Politics about this guy Konrad Lorenz who came up with the idea of the "cichlid effect" to justify male agression in relationships with women (which JBP also does), a cichlid being a species of prehistoric fish which he examined "to conclude that the male cichlids failed to find the courage to mate unless the female of their species responded with ‘awe’. How one measures ‘awe’ in a fish is a question perhaps better left unanswered..."
    excellent data

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    I initially misread 'awe' as 'aww' and now in my head a cichlid looks like some cutesy thing with huge eyes from a Studio Ghibli film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    I'm not sure what 'higher instincts' you'd attribute to dolphins. They're just slimy rape machines. Would love to smack one in the face, wipe that stupid grin off.
    first edit said "(probably) dolphins" - then i thought it kinda undermined my argument. i'm willing to give dolphins the benefit of the doubt - but come to think of it, wasn't that the result of all lilley's tests - that he couldn't communicate with them https://www.theguardian.com/environm...n-who-loved-me

    *dolphones i typed there briefly

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    benny's right though, essentially - the argument is that X is a natural phenomenon, therefore X is - somehow - morally justified

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    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    benny's right though, essentially - the argument is that X is a natural phenomenon, therefore X is - somehow - morally justified
    thats the lobster argument. i should have been clearer. i was talking about his dragon-chaos, inane archetypes stuff... i.e. the stuff he is really proud of.

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    the lobster thing is not necessarily wrong or outrageous, but it is an attempt to justify some norms by referring to outcomes in the natural world

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    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
    the lobster thing is not necessarily wrong or outrageous, but it is an attempt to justify some norms by referring to outcomes in the natural world
    it's indisputably comical though whatever your take on it.

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    true, but every random idiotic thing he says is being pounced on, thats more about the strange media situation that's spun up around him.

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    i dont have any sympathy. he rode that tiger. i never told him to do it.

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    its not really a tiger tho, the tiger just does what it does. the media has the same moral responsibility as peterson

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    i didnt quite mean that... i meant his route to fame. the energies he harnessed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    first edit said "(probably) dolphins" - then i thought it kinda undermined my argument. i'm willing to give dolphins the benefit of the doubt - but come to think of it, wasn't that the result of all lilley's tests - that he couldn't communicate with them https://www.theguardian.com/environm...n-who-loved-me

    *dolphones i typed there briefly
    'The Dolphones' sounds like some garage group who recorded a legendary, crackly 7" in 1966.

    Have you seen the documentary 'Blackfish'? Makes a pretty compelling argument for whale intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    i didnt quite mean that... i meant his route to fame. the energies he harnessed
    He mainly appeals to men who feel lost and want their own dumbest, most archaic notions confirmed by someone who taught at Harvard, and appeals to 'science' and 'the basic myths of mankind' and lobsters over, like, emotions and respect for other people and thinking about stuff a bit.

    Isn't he just harnessing the will for an 'intellectual' (well I suppose he can claim intellectual credentials, insomuch as that means anything) right-wing figure to complement Trumpism? Same route to fame as Milo.

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    it was the trans thing mostly, the way i see it. mens rights. resentment. fear. demons, in other words.

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