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    Default Jordan Peterson thinks it makes sense to compare humans with lobsters

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    this is frighteningly ignorant.

    sure - some animals are sentient and have (as individuals) profound connections to consciousness - dogs, octopuses, dolphins, cats.

    lobsters? i don't think so.

    with all respect to lobsters but they're WAY down the consciousness pecking order. as such their actions aren't motivated by the same higher instincts. call me specist.

    to make arguments about what's valid for humans based on how lobsters behave is to entirely misunderstand what makes mankind special. and in this instance, to validate tiers of authority between people, it's scarily wrongheaded.

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    edmund (woops!) has become a big fan of this guy. hes literally watched about 20 hours of lectures and interviews with him.

    he just talks about lobsters and animals and stuff to counter the argument that everything boring and nasty in life
    is socially constructed.

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    This is like a freudian thing innit, where these dudes go to absurd lengths to shore up their sexist theories.

    There's a good one in Kate Millet's Sexual Politics about this guy Konrad Lorenz who came up with the idea of the "cichlid effect" to justify male agression in relationships with women (which JBP also does), a cichlid being a species of prehistoric fish which he examined "to conclude that the male cichlids failed to find the courage to mate unless the female of their species responded with ‘awe’. How one measures ‘awe’ in a fish is a question perhaps better left unanswered..."

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    And I forget which famous male fashion designer it was who justified putting women (not just the models, but also those who worked his office) in torturous 6 inch stilettos because female baboons walk on tiptoes when theyre sexually aroused, or some such bullshit.

    I'm sort of torn between just laughing at JB and feeling horror at how popular these sort of beliefs still are, though it is slightly reassuring to see him getting widely ridiculed over the lobster thing.

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    theres never been any great secret to it. tell people what they want to hear
    and they will reward you for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny B View Post
    There's a good one in Kate Millet's Sexual Politics about this guy Konrad Lorenz who came up with the idea of the "cichlid effect" to justify male agression in relationships with women (which JBP also does), a cichlid being a species of prehistoric fish which he examined "to conclude that the male cichlids failed to find the courage to mate unless the female of their species responded with ‘awe’. How one measures ‘awe’ in a fish is a question perhaps better left unanswered..."
    excellent data

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    I initially misread 'awe' as 'aww' and now in my head a cichlid looks like some cutesy thing with huge eyes from a Studio Ghibli film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
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    with all respect to lobsters but they're WAY down the consciousness pecking order. as such their actions aren't motivated by the same higher instincts. call me specist.
    I'm not sure what 'higher instincts' you'd attribute to dolphins. They're just slimy rape machines. Would love to smack one in the face, wipe that stupid grin off.

    I'm ashamed to have evolved from any of these fuckers, apart from German Shepherds, giant squids and octopuses. Who are cool.

    I'm lagging way behind on Peterson, I keep meaning to actually watch one of his videos but get distracted by something else - all I really know is that he cries a lot and, if he hasn't been horribly misquoted on the enforced monogamy comment, seems a bit whiny.

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    Interesting how peterson seems to have replaced milo as the central focus of liberal media mania

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    hes far more benign than Milo.

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    more benign, but also more credible - which makes it worse, in a way

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    hes got a great figure. and he dreses like craner.

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    i was reading this bubbes guy this morning, slotherdjik
    its been freaking me out a bit cos theres a lot of my ideas in there
    i would say he is the continental answer to peterson. basically the same (bluffing)
    technique but better read. i sort of see them as my people in a way.
    so although i know theyre ridiculous i also feel affectionate towards them.

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