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Thread: 1990s hypes revisited - loose series installmant 02 - "Big Beat"

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    i couldnt stand this stuff but i do rate mr tea aka sid viscous for reviving it. only he could conceive of such a thing.
    Heh, I could tell as soon as I saw this thread title that you'd mention my music here. I wouldn't say it's my main oeuvre but you could certainly say a few of my tunes are heading in that direction.

    My old man got into Chemical Brothers a few years ago. Thankfully he was never a deadbeat dad but now he's a Big Beat dad, lol.
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    When I was listening to Jilted Generation last week I stuck on 'Block Rocking Beats' with an ironic smirk but found myself pretty charged up by it.

    Was Jilted Generation a big influence on this stuff? I was wondering if that album was a bit of a one-off but thinking about it now seems obvious that it belongs to that breaks lineage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Was Jilted Generation a big influence on this stuff? I was wondering if that album was a bit of a one-off but thinking about it now seems obvious that it belongs to that breaks lineage.
    Well it was on Fat Of The Land that the Prodge went full BB, so Jilted is the intermediate stage between that and the more purely hardcore/jungle (and far superior) first album, I suppose.

    What's odd in my case is that while this stuff was massive while I was at high school and uni, I didn't particularly like it at the time and later got into 'proper' clubbing and 'proper' techno, but I guess I must have just absorbed some of that sound osmotically.
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    And there was that comeback Prodigy album where they were doing 'nu skool breakz' ala Plump DJs/Freestylers/Deekline et al... That stuff was pretty big when I was at uni in Nottingham - was much more student (and - excuse potential sexism here - girl) friendly than drum n bass and even techno.

    I'm guessing there was some intersecting going on between garage and breaks in the early 00s - cos I've heard sets from that time where you'll get some of those tunes sneaking in. 'I Don't smoke the Reefer'...

    edit: relevant (not to this thread but to the garage / breaks intersection)

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    Not sure but was the distinctive thing about 'breaks' that it was at a house tempo but with a skippy, DNB/garage style beat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Was Jilted Generation a big influence on this stuff? I was wondering if that album was a bit of a one-off but thinking about it now seems obvious that it belongs to that breaks lineage.
    No I don't think so, "Music for the Jilted Generation" was still very much preceived as "uk breakbeat" - hardcore/proto-jungle of sorts - at least that's my teenage-self remembering it when it came out. The track "Poison" though was proto-big beat without a doubt.

    I personally think Big Beat rather was the rude cousin of Trip Hop

    And then there was this odd "hope" of Big Beat finally breaking "electronic dance music" for the masses in the USA around 1996/97.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefinga View Post
    I personally think Big Beat rather was the rude cousin of Trip Hop
    They're certainly linked, also demographically. But big beat's bad reputation (rude, drunk student music) is a very UK thing. In Belgium, big beat was for many the only palatable type of dance music. Especially when compared to house and techno which were still stigmatised by the new beat era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    And there was that comeback Prodigy album where they were doing 'nu skool breakz' ala Plump DJs/Freestylers/Deekline et al... That stuff was pretty big when I was at uni in Nottingham - was much more student (and - excuse potential sexism here - girl) friendly than drum n bass and even techno.

    I'm guessing there was some intersecting going on between garage and breaks in the early 00s - cos I've heard sets from that time where you'll get some of those tunes sneaking in. 'I Don't smoke the Reefer'...
    i like breakstep but god the purist nu skool breaks is so dull.

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    firefinga I'm waiting for your eurodance nostalgia thread.

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    yes, revival.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    firefinga I'm waiting for your eurodance nostalgia thread.
    Yeah, I might start a Eurodance thread as well. However, my threads aren't motivated by nostalgia. It's rather for historical/archival purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew View Post
    i picked this up a year or so ago on your recommendation

    it's the position normal end of big beat isn't it?
    exactly!

    i could have done with a whole album of tunes in this vein but they squeezed out a couple more not quite as good EPs and then vaporized, seemingly both guys leaving the Music Biz altogether

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    i thought the ancestry of Big Beat was more from Madchester and indie-dance - Norm having been in the Housemartins before he did Beats International and other dancey things, Chemical Brothers having been an indie group and based in Manchester I believe... World of Twist seem to be spiritual forebears if not directly ancestral - the same combo of sounding antique-and-vaguely-Sixties with bang up to date 90s

    people also talked about Balearic as part of its ancestry - a large part of which involved finding odd danceable indie records

    perhaps mod revival is in there somehow (and that groovy small combo thing - James Taylor Quartet)

    jungle would be the real reincarnation in 90s flesh of mod spirit; big beat would be the mod revival, i.e. the faux retro thing

    so the crossovers between Big Beat and Britpop make sense

    ^^^^^^^^^

    there was a lot of Big Beat shite - Propellerheads, awful. i don't think i liked anything on Wall of Sound. Skint had moments but much of it barely stood up then let alone now.

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    In my mind here's a cultural synchronicity between Fatboy Slim and Oasis, the same mindless white beer swilling aesthetic mirrored at the same time in both rock and dance. An anti-E, anti rave, reactionary ethos in the ascendent.

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    FBS was certainly the nadir of the scene, or close to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by droid View Post
    In my mind here's a cultural synchronicity between Fatboy Slim and Oasis, the same mindless white beer swilling aesthetic mirrored at the same time in both rock and dance. An anti-E, anti rave, reactionary ethos in the ascendent.
    yeah ive talked about this a lot with a mate of mine. it was definitely the counter revolution, funded by the breweries and so on. jump up jungle is part of this.
    anti-urban. revenge of the provinces and suburbs. ugly boorish and willfully stupid.

    (mr tea will be along to make a hoegaarden gag soon)

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