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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    ooh look, somebody at Pitchfork wrote a defense of trance a few weeks ago
    that was much better/more interesting than I thought it'd be

    confirms the impression I've always had of Van Buuren etc commercial trance as largely working class music of eastern + southern Europe, akin to gabber in Holland

    a key line to me was "it is a modern European folk music" immediately made me think of turbofolk

    it also made me think of visiting Graceland, simultaneously the ultimate monument to kitsch and as close as you get in the U.S. to visiting an ancient European shrine

    see also the description of kids in rust belt Poland being very reminiscent of juggalos (and before that, nu metal)

    another vastly popular rust belt prole thing that is universally mocked/reviled

    the weird thing about commercial trance is that it then also has that higher end Ibiza etc side, which nu metal etc very much did not

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    as ever when discussing something like as a person with "good" taste I think it's important to approach it on its own terms

    i.e. it's always easy to conflate Van Buurin/Corsten etc - which is utter irredeemable garbage - with just sneering at its audience

    as when the one guy in the piece mentions hip DJs occasionally playing trance ironically to laugh at it

    Senni seems to have a good philosophical approach even if I haven't been remotely interested in any of his music I've heard thus far

    on that appreciating things on their own terms tip, this is one of my favorite mixes and YT vids of all time


    also confirms my belief that virtually all that stuff sounds way better in every way slowed way down

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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    i suppose it is also a flavour within the mush that is EDM's stadium rave fodder
    I'd argue it's the main flavor, sonically and especially aesthetically

    this is the other thing talking about trance - as someone here (crowley maybe?) said, it's long since won massively. it doesn't need the validation of critics or musos.

    commercial trance is the Thomas Kinkade of dance music

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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblogger View Post
    Fluchtpunkt is the glass-half-full redescription of the glass-half-empty concept freizeit knast or "leisure prison" (which I learned from Achim Szepanski of Mille Plateaux, although i suspect he got it from one of the Frankfurt School)
    It sounds definitely very Adorno-like, but I never came across the precise expression. Might be Szepanski aforising Adorno. Is he teaching now?

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    Somebody mentioned CJ Bolland's "Camargue" already. Dunno if it really qualifies as Trance though. Nevertheless I think it's a superb track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padraig (u.s.) View Post
    I'd argue it's the main flavor, sonically and especially aesthetically

    this is the other thing talking about trance - as someone here (crowley maybe?) said, it's long since won massively. it doesn't need the validation of critics or musos.

    commercial trance is the Thomas Kinkade of dance music
    Trance lived well outside of critics and hipsters' circles. And in Germany even pretty much outside the established dance media. The trance scene has built their own independent infrastructure - had their own shops, parties, ravers etc. You wouldn't get records labelled "Trance" in the "proper" shops. Records didn't get reviews, clips weren't played on Germany's MTV rival "Viva-TV". It's a bit like Gabba/HC-Techno, which got some coverage from let's say 91-95, but then dropped from the radar of "establishes" + "proper" Journalists, DJs, etc. Amazing really given the scale of Techno in germany during the 1990s, 2000s and actually Germany is still THE techno country in 2018
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