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    Default archetypal dyads

    i come back to coltrane/davis a lot and tend to view it as transcendence/immanence.

    i think a lot about wiley/dizzee too. such different careers. one inwardly directed the other outwardly oriented. needless to say i relate to wiley.

    do you form these dyads in your head too? got any examples?

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    Liam & Noel.

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    Messi vs Ronaldo
    short vs tall
    quiet vs loud
    humble vs egoist
    plain vs handsome
    genius vs the grind
    finesse vs power

    I don't know FA about football.

    All of these are no doubt simplifications - or outright distortions - of both players characters.

    But this is broadly how I read their rivalry. They seem, superficially at least, dissimilar - which is what makes their rivalry so compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    i come back to coltrane/davis a lot and tend to view it as transcendence/immanence.
    What do you mean by this? And do I need to have listened to jazz to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Messi vs Ronaldo
    short vs tall
    quiet vs loud
    humble vs egoist
    plain vs handsome
    genius vs the grind
    finesse vs power

    I don't know FA about football.

    All of these are no doubt simplifications - or outright distortions - of both players characters.

    But this is broadly how I read their rivalry. They seem, superficially at least, dissimilar - which is what makes their rivalry so compelling.
    god-given vs forged by man.

    The best way I saw it explained was something like this (more pithily done tho, natch): "Ronaldo is the ideal player as imagined by an algorithm. Messi is the ideal player as imagined by a football fan."

    tho:
    tax cheat vs victory dedications to 'all the Portuguese, all immigrants'
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    Yeah was gonna say - isn't the plot twist that Ronaldo's a swell fella (as well as a swole fella) and Messi's a monster?

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    Messi is obviously easier to love because he's not a strutting statuesque prettyboy who looks like he'd kick sand in your face at the beach.

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    Because he shows precisely nothing of who he is. People like blankness, especially when coupled with great talent.

    Ronaldo lets all his human failings hang out.
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    Hip hop must be full of these....Chuck D and Flav, Big Boi and Andre 3000

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    Federer and Nadal - another rivalry of vivid contrasts

    finesse/grace vs. raw power
    european vs latin
    hairband vs biceps
    reserve vs passion

    etc.

    All this stuff is actually what I like about sport the most - I can't really be arsed to watch any games/matches but I love reading about the personality clashes/cultural baggage.

    Perhaps a dyad is supposed to be a team, though? I thought of rivalries cos luka brought up dizzee/wiley but of course they WERE a team at one point.

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    Like Rooney and Ronaldo

    I think this is what makes sport fascinating to me too, along with the constant refinement of grand narratives. Ali and Liston or Ali and Foreman is another good one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Yeah was gonna say - isn't the plot twist that Ronaldo's a swell fella (as well as a swole fella) and Messi's a monster?
    Messi apparently had a major role in stopping the recent Argentina/Israel friendly on human rights grounds.

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    Read that as archetypal Dads at first, thought you were having a pop at me and Jon.

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    yeah those are good ones corpse. you get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    What do you mean by this? And do I need to have listened to jazz to understand?
    no not really. coltrane always seems to be reaching for something davis always seems to be exploring something. ones trying to go beyond the other is staying with.

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