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    this news item got me thinking...

    Anthony Collins reveals himself as anonymous producer Grant
    https://www.residentadvisor.net/news.aspx?id=42158

    mysterious house producer grant (whose second album and occasional white label 12" I like) reveals his real name and that he was also half of production duo frank & tony. not particularly interesting in itself, but i was drawn to this part of the interview:

    "A couple of years ago, before the Grant project was born, I was making music [and] sending it out to artists or labels I liked with zero response," he added. "I had the core feeling that one of the reasons for that was they didn't even open the files because my artist name—Anthony Collins or Frank & Tony—had too much history, for better or worse.

    Funnily enough, I was kind of right on a few occasions, as in the early stages of the project a couple of tracks I sent out as demos under the Anthony Collins name got no responses. Then, they were released under the Grant moniker and got positive feedback from the same people who completely ignored them."
    brings to light how we judge or pre-judge things, sometimes write it off or are attracted to it merely because of WHO the work is from, not based on the value of the actual work itself. and it certainly goes far beyond just musicians, can also apply to film directors, politicians, friends, etc.

    "open minded" ain't so open.

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    I was going to start a thread about the glory of the Shuffle function but here is a good place for such musings, I suppose

    The two best things about the shuffle function AFAIK

    1. When it plays something you'd never have selected because you have some preconceived notion about the artist/song/choon and/or you simply would never have sought it out.

    2. When it plays something you'd never have selected because you really like it and therefore don't consider it worth listening to again, or you think it's a cliche, or something

    This works best when you have the Shuffle on in the background and can't see what's coming next

    TRY IT CHUMS!

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    Also, how do cognitive biases effect our listening?

    e.g. does the Confirmation Bias have an effect on how we hear a song?

    'Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias,[Note 1] is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.'

    Following on from your post - we're likely to be effected by this bias when we know information about what we hear.

    I think it works against things you like as much as against things you don't like - e.g. today I was listening to 'Atlantis' by Bukem and for whatever reason I started really listening closely to it, and realised that I have not really heard it properly for a long time, because I 'write it off' as this great tune, therefore somehow boring.

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    another interesting aspect: what you describe is an entirely human predicament, yet I imagine we're all reluctant to acknowledge it because it would somehow taint our belief in our own ability to evaluate and critique. we may think we're music experts, but are we ever really able to stand back and critique without those confirmation biases coming into play?

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    Don't think confirmation biases are always necessarily bad. For instance, while adopting a subjective strategy of avoiding anything linked to 'Euro trance', 'indie rock' 'nu-rave' or Loyalist flute band music might mean you miss the odd decent tune, it also shields you from an inevitable deluge of sonic pig shit.

    Also, I can overlook musicians' flaws (including dodgy political views, extreme cuntishness, drawing a 17th century pistol on drinkers in a Kentish town pub, etc) if the music's good. But, if I ever met a musician/performer whose stuff I liked, and s/he acted like an arrogant dick, I would go off their music and probably flog it on eBay / bin it, regardless of how 'objectively' amazing it might be.

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    one of the very few contributions I've made to this forum was about this, http://www.dissensus.com/showthread....t=essentialism At the time I was a bit obsessed with fidelity anologue audio and synthesis and trying to grasp how much bias I had. I think the concept of essentialism is applicable to pretty much everything we get enjoyment from though. Perhaps its impossible to truly enjoy anything without some abstract value attached to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    sonic pig shit.

    I still want to marry you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin View Post
    But, if I ever met a musician/performer whose stuff I liked, and s/he acted like an arrogant dick, I would go off their music and probably flog it on eBay / bin it, regardless of how 'objectively' amazing it might be.
    Question is, has this happened to you, or anyone else here? I try to avoid anyone whose work I admire for this reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    Question is, has this happened to you, or anyone else here? I try to avoid anyone whose work I admire for this reason.
    Yeah def happened to me.

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    i avoid neofolk as a rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    Question is, has this happened to you, or anyone else here? I try to avoid anyone whose work I admire for this reason.
    I used to like Kevin Spacey but then my cousin (who works in film production) worked with him on a set and said he was an obnoxious, disrespectful, terrible person. That really changed my feelings about him, didn't see any of his films after that. BTW, this was a few years before all the sexual harassment stuff came out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersloane View Post
    I still want to marry you.
    crass-our-wedding-crass.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by baboon2004 View Post
    Question is, has this happened to you, or anyone else here? I try to avoid anyone whose work I admire for this reason.
    Happened with a writer I really liked. Flogged his books online shortly after.

    Musically, not really, but like you and MisterSloane, I do my best to avoid them - apart from Shane McGowan (who was so wasted he could barely stand) , Little Annie (who's lovely) and Mark E Smith (major gamble, but he was funny and very cool), I've never really approached musos *. I was at a Whitehouse gig around 2000, having a pint and waiting for someone to show up, when a certain power electronics 'star' bounded over, all smiles, before realising it was a case of mistaken identity. He then went from friendly to really narky, which I found baffling. But I didn't have any of his records anyway, so didn't really care much.

    (*- oh and Tippa Irie)
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    i avoid neofolk as a rule.
    But it's such a spectrum of diversity.

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