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    Default QUESTION/DO YOU BELEIVE IN FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS?

    do you beleive people get tricked by other people into thinking things
    they would be better off not thinking? yes or no?

    i do of course. you'd have to be a proper mug or have a vested interest
    in pretending it doesnt happen to deny it.

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    2016 American presidential election provides a definitive answer to that question.

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    isn't this the essence of modern life?

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    Do you believe in a non-false consciousness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Do you believe in a non-false consciousness?
    that's a better question.

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    I think it’s clear that people believe things or act in ways which are against their interests and those of wider society.

    The problems start with what is to be done about that. Liberals and Leninists both seem to favour a top down “educating the thick proles” model.

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    killing the liars at the top would be better. machine gun em down
    dugga-dugga-dugga-dugga
    do the lot of them in a hail of beautiful bullets.

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    We need a new RAF. Bullets for Bannon.

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    Classic liberal mistake.

    The problems are structural and not because of a few individuals are bad.

    We need to dismantle the machinery which produces these people. Not create martyrs. Innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    Classic liberal mistake.

    The problems are structural and not because of a few individuals are bad.

    We need to dismantle the machinery which produces these people. Not create martyrs. Innit.
    classic apologist for evil. wheres the artillery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo View Post
    2016 American presidential election provides a definitive answer to that question.
    And Brexit, obviously. Plus the number of people who think climate change is a 'conspiracy', the anti-vaxx movement and all of that.

    Edit: religion in general, arguably.

    I mean the answer is so obviously 'yes' the question seems a bit redundant tbh.
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    Good question.

    I hate the way this sort of thinking privileges horrible wanker Marxists (all the Marxists are wankers apart from Jon). I'm reminded of the guy from Class War I used to know - kinda guy who had his head down the toilet at school and had evolved his politics in response to that.

    It's still a sitting outside/above people rather than actually talking to them and listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    And Brexit, obviously. Plus the number of people who think climate change is a 'conspiracy', the anti-vaxx movement and all of that.

    Edit: religion in general, arguably.

    I mean the answer is so obviously 'yes' the question seems a bit redundant tbh.
    classic cop answer.

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    there was a lot of pushback against this idea for years. to the point where if id asked this question a decade ago i would have a very different and indignant set of answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    Classic liberal mistake.

    The problems are structural and not because of a few individuals are bad.

    We need to dismantle the machinery which produces these people. Not create martyrs. Innit.
    You have to do both. Individuals have the ability to have a significant influence on events. Thats why death squads in the US have been assassinating BLM activists.

    This is serious business. We're at war, and the other side has no qualms.

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