Dematerialisation.

luka

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stripped the exterior phenomenal world of its libidinal attraction
or shifted it to the screen. literally as in the case of pornography, or qualitatively.
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it is simply a question of where you are getting your needs met
 
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I've noticed that a lot of the music that explicitly deals with what luka's talking about tends to be terrible and the ideas behind it don't really come through, you just know it's about that stuff because it often comes with an overwritten press release which references social media, 'fake news', 'information overload' and the rest.
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'about' is the enemy of art. art is the process. the process of history crystallised in your actions. you sync with it, are the same as-

then you can't tell any lies.
 
luka

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Phenomenologically, looking at screens all day alters the way in which you see, casts a veil over immediate connection to reality. I find my eyes take longer and longer to adjust to outside light, the more I sink into that world of screens. The screens end up feeling realer than the outside world at a very visceral level, and I'm sure this is part of the addictive quality of the digital (along with everything else)
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apologies also to baboon for this important point i skimmed over.
 
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well yeah this is why you shouldn't read pitchfork.

Not as bad as the fucking fader talking about keeshia cole and gucci mane in a bath tho.

But then how r u supposed to discover music without resorting to discogs/RYM lists? i ean, i am pro this, but there needs to be some cultural cohesion i guess.
 
luka

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The political aspect to this is to get people to produce or consume digital value for as much of the day as possible. Literally like extending your shift in a factory and then going late night shopping in a mall.
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and apologies to eden for skimming over this very good point. sometimes it's important for me to slow down and not just scan for instant excitement and gratification.
 
luka

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The political aspect to this is to get people to produce or consume digital value for as much of the day as possible. Literally like extending your shift in a factory and then going late night shopping in a mall.
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one of the reasons i chose to do my thinking here and why i think dissensus is good, and important, is that it exists outside of those huge land empires, those giant imperiums of twitter, facebook, google
 
luka

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firefinga said:
One aspect of Internet porn is the deluge of amateur-porn, isn't it? All those porntube sites seem to be brimming with it. Voyeurs and exhibitionists running amok.
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we want to be part of it. all of it. producer. the consumed as well as the consumer.
 
luka

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"The aim of autotune R&B is the mechanical reproduction of a regressive moment, a castration symbolism. 'Give up your masculinity, let yourself be castrated,' the eunuchlike sound of the autotune both mocks and proclaims, 'and you will be rewarded, accepted into a fraternity which shares the mystery of impotence with you, a mystery revealed at the moment of the initiation rite."
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bingo! dematerialisation is castration.
 
luka

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deleuzians think its machines all the way down, btw. so a deleuzian response to this issue might be to say that we're getting nearer to the threshold whereby the fundamental identity between man and the soulless machine is becoming inescapable on all sorts of cultural levels
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worth teasing out but i despair of ever getting vimothy to open up to us.
 
luka

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muser said:
I think humans thrive off of chaos, we need it and it nurtures us. Heard about some study comparing two almost identical housing blocks with people from similar socio-economic backgrounds, one with foliage about and one with nothing, the one lacking in nature saw complete breakdown, depression, illness etc. Drugs, food and whole host of other things attest to the complete inability of our brains to know whats good for them, we will happily continue to consume and self-destruct.

The further things around us are abstracted from chaos the harder it is to create, whether it be the literal surroundings our social interactions or music the itself, chaos is only created via recursion.
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"I tell you: one must still have chaos within oneself, to give birth to a dancing star."
 
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thirdform

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i don't really understand what it would be to be a Deleuzian in the political sense. in some senses his work can be seen against that, that whole break with ossified french communist party marxism which put everything in geometric greek categories.
 
luka

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blissblogger said:
possibly relevant quote from Mark K-punk

"What we have with digital culture now is a strange hyper-ordinariness. People done up to the nines but it isn't like Bowie where you're playing with abstract aestheticisation. It's a normative model: perfect teeth, skin tone. An utterly conservative artificiality... A normalisation of photoshopping & cosmetic surgery: a wash-back from digital, people's anxiety about their appearance is measured by the standards of a depressing normativity. Neuroses & dissatisfaction are highly productive & useful for capitalism: they can be sold to endlessly"

what could be called "subglam" - the pixel-by-pixel polishing of the image in TV postproduction (a/k/a digital intermediate) - smoothing out blemishes and spots, evening out skin-tone, superglossing hair and teeth - that has fed back into everyday life... ordinary people look hyper-groomed.... all those intricate beards.... as if aspiring to digital sharpness and brighness
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Mark was a visionary. He really held it in his hands at times but the worst of him is when his depression speaks and he sees only sameness and blocked exits imo. the beauty of the vision was in the possibilities for escape.
 
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luka said:
not true. it's all nietzsche and is anti-dialectical
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he was like that initially. then moved more towards a marxish position later on.

I also used to be massively into Nietzsche but then had a real dramatic break up with him.
 
luka

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thirdform said:
i don't really understand what it would be to be a Deleuzian in the political sense. in some senses his work can be seen against that, that whole break with ossified french communist party marxism which put everything in geometric greek categories.
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we think first. we imagine first. politics follows in the wake of the new territories we open up.
 
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i am not enough of a historical god to say either way whether the advent of coinage was the genesis of abstract thought, a thought that takes on an alienable existence from the hand.

i think that is the perspective that is the most logical. but i am only 25 years old.
 
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thirdform said:
i am not enough of a historical god to say either way whether the advent of coinage was the genesis of abstract thought, a thought that takes on an alienable existence from the hand.

i think that is the perspective that is the most logical. but i am only 25 years old.
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jh prynne talks about this in 'a note on metal' look it up. you will like.

you are very clever when you tune in. im glad you are here.
 
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