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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    if it is done geometrically like necrophagist it can be alright
    Necrophagist is the apex of the juiceless Paganini fantasy version of death metal, Malmsteenism with death growls

    (greatly not helped by the drum machine either - they can work for Godflesh-type heaviness but invariably sound terrible blasting)

    for examples of extremely technical death metal that still bangs, check Demilich - Nespithe, Gorguts - Erosion of Sanity, the first 2 Crytopsy LPs

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    i didn't say they were good. just alright. gotta go there sometimes, most metalheads i was drinking with can't listen to gorguts in UK ime. agreed on the first two lps.

    honestly im convinced that if i made a jazz album with loads of meaningless death growls and marketed it as melodic death metal people would lap it up. i dunno metal culture is a strange thing in the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by padraig (u.s.) View Post

    and not surprising - you're in a long honored tradition of intellectual critics who can't stand heavy guitars, from Zep + Sabbath on down

    Couldn't u say the same about the dissensus orthodoxy on nuum as well though? the genre gets specialised and then the intellectuals have nothing to hook onto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    the genre gets specialised and then the intellectuals have nothing to hook onto
    we're talking about the inverse of that here

    the first 4 Sabbath records are the indisputably urtexts of heavy guitars. Christgau gave all of them C minuses. that's insane! Lester freaking Bangs slated them in Rolling Stone. the most fwd edge of rock criticism just completely, 100%, didn't get it.

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    think about what kinds of metal has achieved critical-intellectual acclaim beyond metalheads - mostly Sunn O))) type drone, and black

    both about as far from rock as metal can get, and largely devoid of soloing or other heavy guitars residue

    drone's critical case is obvious, it might as well be downtuned La Monte Young

    black metal's case is a bit more interesting - all the single note tremolo picking reminiscent of Middle Eastern traditions (i.e. half-Lebanese Dick Dale bringing tremolo picking into surf rock) in place of down-tuned palm muted power chord riffing. the complete lack of verse-chorus-verse structures. the almost complete absence of scalar frenzy. metronomic blastbeats similarly devoid of fills. everything is treble, piercing - no low end at all, no crunch. all of the "drama of masculine prowess" blissblogger's on about is, at least sonically, largely absent. it's more palatable to people who prefer shoegaze, post-rock, etc as evinced by the large number of black metal bands - Alcest etc - who have easily drifted in that direction.

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    loads of girls and queers in metal scene, more than dance music, to its eternal credit, so i don't rly get the masculine prowess thing.

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    you lot invented dance music as we know it yet we get it.

    we invented metal but in my experience you lot get it.

    Weird that.

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