thirdform

pass the sick bucket
and not surprising - you're in a long honored tradition of intellectual critics who can't stand heavy guitars, from Zep + Sabbath on down

Couldn't u say the same about the dissensus orthodoxy on nuum as well though? the genre gets specialised and then the intellectuals have nothing to hook onto.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
the genre gets specialised and then the intellectuals have nothing to hook onto
we're talking about the inverse of that here

the first 4 Sabbath records are the indisputably urtexts of heavy guitars. Christgau gave all of them C minuses. that's insane! Lester freaking Bangs slated them in Rolling Stone. the most fwd edge of rock criticism just completely, 100%, didn't get it.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
think about what kinds of metal has achieved critical-intellectual acclaim beyond metalheads - mostly Sunn O))) type drone, and black

both about as far from rock as metal can get, and largely devoid of soloing or other heavy guitars residue

drone's critical case is obvious, it might as well be downtuned La Monte Young

black metal's case is a bit more interesting - all the single note tremolo picking reminiscent of Middle Eastern traditions (i.e. half-Lebanese Dick Dale bringing tremolo picking into surf rock) in place of down-tuned palm muted power chord riffing. the complete lack of verse-chorus-verse structures. the almost complete absence of scalar frenzy. metronomic blastbeats similarly devoid of fills. everything is treble, piercing - no low end at all, no crunch. all of the "drama of masculine prowess" blissblogger's on about is, at least sonically, largely absent. it's more palatable to people who prefer shoegaze, post-rock, etc as evinced by the large number of black metal bands - Alcest etc - who have easily drifted in that direction.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
loads of girls and queers in metal scene, more than dance music, to its eternal credit, so i don't rly get the masculine prowess thing.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
you lot invented dance music as we know it yet we get it.

we invented metal but in my experience you lot get it.

Weird that.
 

luka

Well-known member
no one in England had ever heard of him until Waynes World came out. completely irrelvant to life on this island.
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
I'm with Padraig in that most guitar solos are uninteresting. They typically work best in heavier genres- theres congruency between the innate ridiculousness of the guitar solo and metal/hardcore/noise music.

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Ive also always liked Gregg Ginns solos. Just confidence manning his way through atonal nonsense so convincingly you start to buy it. Alot of the more shred based solos of metal sound like Ginn solos but all the correct notes are played.

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and taking that style to its conclusion you get the no wave guys. Always thought this solo sounded like a man strangling a small animal with his bare hands

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