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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyL View Post
    Interesting to think about in light of what was talked about upthread, Jones having to demonstrate his ideological purity etc, having being a Corbyn apostate and still working for the filthy right wing press in the form of The Guardian. Seems like there's a weird slippage going on between income/celebrity/personal brand/political positions. Can you have personal positions that are different from your brand anymore? Or is it all subservient to clicks and likes? Gets stranger and stranger the more you think about it.
    I think you can as loads of people read the Guardian and like Owen Jones and consider themselves left wing. For Owen the social media side is a exactly that - a sideline. He needs it to promote himself as being on the left wing of the Guardian (and for research).

    Whereas with Laurie Penny she'd be screwed if her fanbase on social media deserted her. Ditto the Novara types, which is why they had a major freak out last year when they platformed someone who turned out to be a rapist and everyone turned on them.

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    ash sarkar is the girl that fucks like a champion according to her twitter bio and has a very big university lecturer voice. a few years ago i thought she'd be cool with hanging out with the rude boys and bad girls in the pub but these days im not so sure. yeh the person who was playing grime at the time probably wasn't her, shes like my age. amazing how far shes got whilst im toiling away here with medical health services.

    danny, i have little time for oz khaterji either. his whole thing is all rebels are great everything anti-assad is good. which completely sidesteps stratification and class. in favour of clickbait, well.

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    I disagree with you re. Oz - he'd be happy to publicize negative stories about the rebels if they're true, but we are in a firehose of falsehood situation (the Syrian rebel commander found guilty of war crimes recently i n Germany would be a case in point - sure he mentioned that). Be interested to hear how/why you think class and stratification are relevant. Not saying they're not, just like to hear your perspective.

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    So I don't derail the thread completely - to state the obvious, what's striking about this is the relation between the dependence of the journalists and how it might compromise what they write and publicise. What if they want to do some edgy, or challenging, like publish Peter Sotos, or even something really out of order, like disagree with the big JC? What then?

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    well the standard things, the rev is split between conservative islamists which are more integrationist and state centred and the democratic groups and local assemblies.

    I personally wouldn't have given support to JaI or al-zenki earlier this year either. I generally follow Karadjis' blog on this.

    I stopped following him because all he did was attack tankies, as if all of us have time to comb through that shit. annoying and narcissistic, suitable for an ex-swp journalist i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyL View Post
    So I don't derail the thread completely - to state the obvious, what's striking about this is the relation between the dependence of the journalists and how it might compromise what they write and publicise. What if they want to do some edgy, or challenging, like publish Peter Sotos, or even something really out of order, like disagree with the big JC? What then?
    they can disagree with the big JC. It's just the ruling class still need that old dog in these turbulent times. there is a crisis of the legitimacy of the state and it serves them to disipate all left enrgies into labour. We were in a better position in 2014.

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    The description of the desperation of these pundits and their fragile grip on paid writing work and dependence on social media rings true and makes me feel like it would be horrible to be part of that writing racket right now.

    I observe it from the sidelines, and donít get the feeling that Owen Jones has escaped despite getting his PhD thesis published in the nick off time. He was clearly spooked by the barrage of abuse he got for questioning the Corbyn project before the election, and his post-election Mea Cupla has morphed into abject propagandising, back-pedalling and obfuscation. Itís both amusing and painful to watch. He has got more shrill and silly the more he has been undercut by this New Left gang. (He is not the only one, though, on any or either side; itís all got bad and embarrassing.)

    Even on something I agree 100% on (the House of Saud) his tone and tactics still annoy me.

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