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    if she was funny i would woo her with my sonic dialectics. she has a nice voice if she doesn't use it in a university way. at least her favourite thing isn't kate bush. that's very bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyL View Post
    Ash Sarkar proudly proclaims herself a communist in the interview linked above. I assume she has some kind of disconnect with the massive historical failures of communism. "Autonomist" is a more attractive formulation to me but who cares what I think, I'm old like dirt.
    well, the successes of soviet communism and british capitalism are roughly the same. aka. not very successful at all.

    british capitalism has had over 350 years to be far more deadly, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    well, the successes of soviet communism and british capitalism are roughly the same. aka. not very successful at all.

    british capitalism has had over 350 years to be far more deadly, though.
    Real capitalism has never been tried

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMGovt View Post
    Real capitalism has never been tried
    lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HMGovt View Post
    Real capitalism has never been tried
    I appreciate the joke, of course, but isn't China the closest any state has yet got to 'pure' capitalism, unencumbered by distractions such as democracy?

    I see that Teen Vogue article listed modern China among "socialist, non-capitalist states", which made me laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    I appreciate the joke, of course, but isn't China the closest any state has yet got to 'pure' capitalism, unencumbered by distractions such as democracy?

    I see that Teen Vogue article listed modern China among "socialist, non-capitalist states", which made me laugh.
    If you take economic freedom as the measure, Singapore is closest, but even Singapore is behind Hong Kong (if you separate it from China).
    Two other entirely and unarguably unrelated facts about Hong Kong: highest meat consumption per capita in the world, longest life expectancy in the world.
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    Yes I saw you post that on twitter a while ago when you were on some meat-crusade

    Obviously China is a somewhat different model from free-market capitalism. Their Gini inequality coefficient is way higher than any developed country, Western or otherwise (although this is mainly a function of, on average, how poor a country is - the highest coefficients are found in sub-Saharan Africa) and they overtook the USA as the country with the most billionaires a couple of years ago.
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    NM is certainly a different beast now to the beginnings of a couple of students enamoured with Italian anarchism. I don't really keep up with much of their output now, some things were well thought out while others have definitely not been. They had some good guests when it was just the resonance show and were always interesting on policing, media and a couple of issues.

    Nothing comparable really existed at the time and Corbyn was the game changer really, wasn't it? They were best place to ride that wave. It's still been surprising though to see them become fixtures on Question Times, Sky News, etc, as I would have thought certain people and views remained outside the pale. They still owe me for an unpaid invoice though!

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    interesting to read all this because I basically like the NM project but Bastani does my fuckin head in and something doesn't sit right about the following around Ash (thirsty left blokes) and the dissonance surrounding all the things she comes out with

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    If - actually a massive, improbable if - Labour gets behind a second referendum, will be interesting to watch all these tossers pivot.

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    This bad tempered old man piece seems aimed at likes of Novara. Some fascinating and horrific details re. Kenya in there. Though he's wrong about Brexit in the sense that it seems to have been driven by baby boomers, not the young. https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tain-crisis-uk

    I think that the differences between "centrists" and "populists" in this country at least in large part come from the experience of being in power. The former hanker back to the Blair years and the general "good management" of domestic affairs, and all the compromises and mistakes that this entailed are acknowledged to some degree but perhaps not the full legacy. The latter - quite rightly, in some instances - focus on the inequalities left by this legacy, the mistakes and compromises but don't see or wish to acknowledge the good. Reform or revolution, to go back to the piece above.

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    This is an interesting, meaty read on the Left-leaning support for Brexit, in which Novara are players: https://brockley.blogspot.com/2018/1...inst-left.html

    I quite liked the new video slagging off Tommy Robinson but I did wonder if the register was a bit off - the jokey nature of it. The reference to "not agreeing about everything" at the end clearly refers to their pro-Brexit positioning. https://twitter.com/novaramedia/stat...93940850778113
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    coming back here to say I will still take Novara Media over the fuckin awful #FBPE crowd who obsessively kick off about them on twitter.

    I usually like what James B has to say about stuff and he isn't annoying on social media.

    I also like Richard Seymour's writing and I think he must kinda move in the same world and with the same ideas as most of the NM lot.

    The luxury gay communism in space type stuff gets me down because I've only ever heard the most poser-ish left 'activist' types talk about it, and in a kind of ironic, people who get the joke way. But then I do like Nick Srnicek's writing about platform capitalism and while I haven't got round to reading Inventing the Future I do think some sort of big ideas and hope is totally necessary for people to get onboard even with less radical change (good reform).

    Talking about "reform or revolution"... part of what I meant by Ash's dissonance is her on telly saying "I'm literally a communist" and then her more out of the public eye handing JC a mic to feed him some despicably cringey lines he doesn't understand

    - "my g, my g" skin crawling

    to try make fairly reformist, still pro-capitalist social democracy a bit more cool or something.

    It makes the "I'm literally a communist" and the more radical stuff seem like posturing

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    she doesn't talk like that on her podcast she talks like one of those wankers with an intern at verso or something.

    forget srnicek, read ultra-left stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glasshand View Post

    - "my g, my g" skin crawling
    I can never unsee this now. "The man's not hot". Please make it not have happened, or else erase my mind.

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