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    Default Acid rap aka. dematerialised materialism

    Started because I've got this in my head:



    The title of the thread is a misnomer (and yes I'm aware of Esham), probably, because the stuff I have in mind is, I think, more inspired by ecstacy and prescription pills, but - when I did acid recently up on the heath we mostly listened to the obvious things like aphex and brian eno but we did listen to the odd rap song and this was one of them, and the production fitted.

    Also this:



    This dreamy, reverby, disintegrating, smudged sound was probably not inaugerated by Clams Casino but I feel like him and the 'cloud rap' scene was very influential as far as the current wave of neon-drenched xanax-popping rappers are concerned (production wise, anyway...)

    The rappers themselves are of interest - the way the (ostensible) renunciation of control over the voice has become more prominent (Wayne, Gucci are two rappers who I think influenced this), but sometimes it might not matter what the rappers are talking about, it's the production and how the rappers interact with it.

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    Rolling rolling rolling got me stargazing
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    Perhaps Drake should be credited here as well, cos his success made that melancholic, heavily filtered production style in vogue...

    Touchstone for me here (as it often has been) is K Punk's Drake review of Nothing Was the Same

    http://www.electronicbeats.net/start...-was-the-same/

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    I think the whole world's going insane
    I fill my brain up with Dainy, and drink away the pain

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    as the music has become increasingly ambient, the rappers themselves have becomes tasked with constructing contours. ad libs emphasise the first beat of the bar (and may interject elsewhere for emphasis), the rapping is more staccato, rappers increasing just em-ph-size each beat of the bar, the use of triplets is notably rhythmic; it announces itself.

    'slippery' is a great track to analyse because it exemplifies migos' rhythmic language and contrasts that with an older style via gucci. gucci man's style on paper should fit into the aesthetic you describe more, but actually feels like throwback


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    always enjoy an excuse to post this. mdma synth pads. everytime i listen to it, i'm always filled with pride when i remember you saying carti was not a rapper, but rather the first ad-libber.


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    I don't really like Migos but I can't argue that they fit in here

    This doesn't fit in here probably



    But it's an example of a rapper being 'dematerialised' by distortion. Distortion becomes dematerialising when it fractures and fragments the surface of sound. Distortion is big in rap music basslines now, I am inclined to give Kanye some credit for that ('Yeezus').

    And the fact Gucci put it out in this state on his tape. It's that sloppiness (possibly artful) that I think is influential.
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    derailing my own damn thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    I think the whole world's going insane
    I fill my brain up with Dainy, and drink away the pain
    Drugs as an escape, a refuge, from the madness of late capitalism and/or poverty
    (paradoxically enough - are the materialistic boasts/focus of lyrics just clinging to the old forms, is there any genuinely psychedelic rappers, rapping about universal oneness and sacredness of nature? And would that be less interesting than this double-consciousness thing of rapipng about lambos and bimbos over production that sounds like space exploration?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    gucci man's
    flamboyant superhero, fighting crimes against fashion

    (post for mr tea)

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    Mane, am I dense and have never noticed that 'Gucci Mane' sorta rhymes with 'Superman' or was that not deliberate on guwop's part?

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    though it has none of the druggy euphoria (and exemplifies quite the opposite), uk drill fits in texturally. low pass filters, reverb, slow-attack pianos are all ambient. in terms of what i was saying about contours, it's hard to see where they are constructed in drill. the vocals are fairly ambient; mumbled, little intonation, the flows flow so you don't get that sense of pronouncement as with the current crop of fragmented us rappers. likewise the drum sounds are week, often mixed low and routinely taken out of large parts of the song. they sound like raindrops against a car window, not like signposts. the angularity of the drum patterns in drill do however lend to a sense of shape; to physicality.

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    Filters and reverb and distortion are all ways of giving texture to electronic sound, making a synth sound as if you could somehow touch it. Or drown yourself in it.

    Or perhaps it's just dramatic lighting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Filters and reverb and distortion are all ways of giving texture to electronic sound, making a synth sound as if you could somehow touch it. Or drown yourself in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    there's a pantheistic inclination running through psychedelia; your inner and outer worlds being one. .
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    the voice is very important. writing about thug a few years ago on here i zoned in on a particular articulation of swooning, gurgling bliss in pelican fly that had, to the best of my knowledge, not been heard in rap before, or not to that extent at any rate. oh god oh god oh gawd
    surrender to bliss. subsumed, swallowed up. hitting that end of the emotional range, overwhelmed.

    but that is not the upper end of the register for yachty in 66, it's a starting point. so it shows you how far we have moved in the last 3 years or so.

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    im not sure how useful it is to think in terms of influence. its better to think of it in terms of foreshadowing, flash-forwards, intimations, of a series of movements towards a territory.

    this place we are headed towards.
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