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    what I have decided is the Big Job to be done at this point in the timeline is the rejoining of psychedelia and the avant-garde. When I look at psychedelia as a Famous Poet I despair. I think, my God, this is completely bankrupt. It's stalled. It's the Pantheon Bar from Mount Analogue/The Holy Mountain. It's the gift stores that cluster round at the bottom of the path that leads to the shrine. It's tacky and hackneyed and littered with dead forms and retrograde practice, glow in the dark Ganeshes, dream-catchers, Tie-dye T-shirts and Alex Grey posters, rave flyers from 1992.
    No Sophisticated Operator is going to want to go near that.

    When I look at what remains of the avant-garde as an Ancient Mariner and psychonaut I'm even more horrified. It's the performative connoisseurship of Cafe Oto with it's fine Japanese whiskies and it's craft beers. It's/ real ale drinking, grouchy old men arguing about Adorno, purple Alex Ferguson noses, broken veins, pot bellies. It's Goldsmiths students posturing on social media, pale skin, monkish shaved heads, pursed, priggish lips, beanies and big round glasses.
    No psychically and emotionally healthy(ish) person is going to want to be anywhere near those grotesques.

    The avant-garde has lost it's animating principle, it's reason for being, it's motivation, has become a deracinated aesthetic/intellectual game and niche market and psychedelia has become an enclosed space, a recapitulation of old experiences without the means to make it new, the means to make it live and breathe again.

    Both have become unhygenic and unattractive backwaters, cut off from the moving current. In their current form they both disgust me. Apart neither means anything. The culture can't start moving again until they're rejoined.
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    abolishing/reforming the mental health act might help. always need crazycakes.

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    can't really have the psychedelia until you've felt the snow cry or turn into cosmic rays. the walls breathing is like so 1920s idea of psychedelia.

    this was its last gasp. those riggling boyish tentacled lifeforms giggling at you the first time.

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    sorry luke, please can you define the avant-garde for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    sorry luke, please can you define the avant-garde for me.
    the avant-garde as finding forms to fit.

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    all historical forms and modes of expression ossify into shells. this is why Pound says
    "make it new" a shell is a closed, policed space forbidding both movement and growth.

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    Psychedelia should be the animating principle of the Avant-garde.
    The Avant-garde should give expression and form to Psychedelia and allow its content
    to be communicated. It has to be continually updated or it becomes conservative,
    a shell, an enclosed and policed space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    The Avant-garde should give expression and form to Psychedelia and allow its content
    to be communicated.
    but presumably migos/young thug wouldn't be classified as avant-garde?

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    poor luke, every time he starts a thread he has to spend 10 pages explaining it before it can get going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    what I have decided is the Big Job to be done at this point in the timeline is the rejoining of psychedelia and the avant-garde. When I look at psychedelia as a Famous Poet I despair. I think, my God, this is completely bankrupt. It's stalled. It's the Pantheon Bar from Mount Analogue/The Holy Mountain. It's the gift stores that cluster round at the bottom of the path that leads to the shrine. It's tacky and hackneyed and littered with dead forms and retrograde practice, glow in the dark Ganeshes, dream-catchers, Tie-dye T-shirts and Alex Grey posters, rave flyers from 1992.
    No Sophisticated Operator is going to want to go near that.

    When I look at what remains of the avant-garde as an Ancient Mariner and psychonaut I'm even more horrified. It's the performative connoisseurship of Cafe Oto with it's fine Japanese whiskies and it's craft beers. It's/ real ale drinking, grouchy old men arguing about Adorno, purple Alex Ferguson noses, broken veins, pot bellies. It's Goldsmiths students posturing on social media, pale skin, monkish shaved heads, pursed, priggish lips, beanies and big round glasses.
    No psychically and emotionally healthy(ish) person is going to want to be anywhere near those grotesques.

    The avant-garde has lost it's animating principle, it's reason for being, it's motivation, has become a deracinated aesthetic/intellectual game and niche market and psychedelia has become an enclosed space, a recapitulation of old experiences without the means to make it new, the means to make it live and breathe again.

    Both have become unhygenic and unattractive backwaters, cut off from the moving current. In their current form they both disgust me. Apart neither means anything. The culture can't start moving again until they're rejoined.


    I did really try, Luke, I really did try, with my films, and for years, and to some extent I think I succeeded, though not in ways I may have wanted at the time.

    I was told by Victor Bockris that the most important person in all the 60s was some dude who just threw parties (Bockris, on opiates, walking me around the meat packing district and pointing, all febrile, to some penthouse, going "there, there!!! there! was where the 60s happened) and he told me that art wasn't about the work, it was about the people who met each other.

    The works are what get left by the people who get it together but the talking, the parties, the socialising, the ideas exchanged, the moments, the online interactions now, all of those are amazing things, they're the ones that create the seeds and I really appreciate your energy in keeping this forum going.

    I see alot of positivity in the modern psychedelic movement - whether it be what I perceive correctly or incorrectly according to other people about the notion of psychedelia in the modern hiphop scene, or whether it's the retrovision of the current scene in Austen, Texas, or Liverpool, or wherever.

    I think if I was to talk about psychedelia and the avant-garde now, I'd have to look at people modifying theirselves with tech, I'd look at modern warfare, I'd look at AI. I don't think it isn't what Deleuze was saying, but I kinda don't think that post-humanism isn't psychedelic, even if it's more obvious proponents are just goths.

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    I think that's largely right. What remains is the residue. What we need ideally is actual spaces and events for things to happen. When we're ready to go outside. I absolutely write and make noise and wave my hands in the air to try and catch the attention of people I might want to meet and speak with. It's why I do things most people consider reckless. If we're all too scared to announce ourselves we collude in the reality conspiracy and suffocate our own potential. It's a risky game potentially but I don't see staying anonymous as a viable option.

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    I did really try, Luke, I really did try, with my films, and for years, and to some extent I think I succeeded, though not in ways I may have wanted at the time
    You know what, I actually think that you are one of the few people who can truthfully say that. Those films were avant-garde but not in a self-consciously "cafe oto" way and they were psychedelic but not in a paisley pattern kinda way. I guess the hing that was making them avant-garde was the very same thing that made them psychedelic. It wasn't so much a re-uniting of the two as a demonstration that at their best psychedelia and avant-garde are probably two names for the same thing.

    Nowadays if I see that a tune on youtube has less than 1,000 views (and that's being charitable) I almost feel like 'what's the point?'
    Really? How weird. I don't mean that in a pejorative way, just that that way of thinking is totally alien to me - in fact it's so far from what I think that I didn't even think that people could think like that. Funny how such a small thing as listening to a youtube clip can contain such differing views.

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    I think the internet is behind that thinking, to an extent. The mentality of how many likes, how many shares, how many replies. Status signals. Like filtering a list by star rating to find the best whatever.

    I suppose others are using this measuring to seek out the most obscure stuff, which they now can confirm is obscure.

    But I also had my taste revisioned to lean towards popular music, suspicious of the self consciously arty/avant in music. Actually I think dissensus helped effect this change, and reading Energy Flash. The flip side being that I lost snobbery (as much as may be) towards the less "intelligent" genres.

    Obviously though I love loads of pieces of music that not many people, and certainly very few people that I know, have even heard of or would care about.

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    I would guess my attitude towards obscure art's lack of significance would be different if I was an artist myself. Even fucking about with that silly poem today on that thread today was absorbing and interesting. The writer isn't speaking to an audience, not always, but speaking to themself always, in between the lines.

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