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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    language always says more than the speaker intends.


    a lot of the time rap lyrics that are ostensibly about subjects such as jewellery, guns, girls, etc. take on a grandiosity beyond those subjects because of the language employed in them. through metaphor, allusion, referencing fantastical brand names and everyday religious language these songs can begin to construct a whole, rich narrative around themes that feel far more religious or transcendental than even the artists intended.

    why? how? examples? am i wrong? what effect does it have? what does it mean politically? what does it say about us? what are they saying? what traditions does this belong to? has this occurred before in other cultures?


    baptists, animism, free association, speaking in tongues, veneration of consumer goods, black man as rebel, black man as rootsy, afro-futurism/consumer-futurism, bling as worship (pyramids, vatican, etc.) , brands as free mason symbols, subliminal messaging, vigilant citizen, historical prevalence of religious iconography as aesthetic reference points


    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    crucial to remember everyone.

    what you say doesn't have to be true, only interesting. those two things are often mutually exclusive

    i've seen it like a 27 inch zenith believe it
    it's not about a tv.

    pull up in a demon on god
    pull up in poltergeist
    they're not about a cars.

    Raindrops on me like a storm on me (raindrop!)...
    The Devil keep tryna come conquer me
    not about jewellery
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    offset uses loads of religious iconography so it's clearer with him, but it's everyone.

    a lot of it's branding names that seep in to make poetry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    splash, drip, ice, water, wet, rain drop
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    diamonds, shine, glowing, spotlight,
    ,

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    luke- do all your poetry workshop shit here please. air; the medium between all of us. meaning refracted. cheers.

    corpse- please can you completely miss the point and ask loads of questions that end up revealing far more than i thought the thread would.

    thirdform- can you get angry because it's not robo-bumming communism please.

    blissblog- can you get all enthusiastic and ostensibly talk about some lyrics to some song when we all really know you're talking about rubbing one out to cardi b.

    pattycakes- can you say how devoid of meaning it all is in a the most poignant heart breaking piece of pros i've ever read.

    crowl- you're always the wild card, so i'll leave it there.

    everyone else- can you just say how shit it is.

    that'd be great, cheers.

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    it's shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    ,
    "this polar symmetry can be seen as underlying the most fundamental aspects of Islamic pattern; there are thus crystalline, 'frozen' shapes, or conversely 'warm,' fluid, outlines (arabesques). Although space does not allow a full examination of the implications, the next drawing illustrates the thesis that 'frozen' and 'moving' shapes are complementary, reflecting the concept that time is a flowing image of eternity.!

    from Islamic Patterns by Keith Critchlow.

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    a lot of the time rap lyrics that are ostensibly about subjects such as jewellery, guns, girls, etc. take on a grandiosity beyond those subjects because of the language employed in them. through metaphor, allusion, referencing fantastical brand names and everyday religious language these songs can begin to construct a whole, rich narrative around themes that feel far more religious or transcendental than even the artists intended.

    why? how? examples? am i wrong? what effect does it have? what does it mean politically? what does it say about us? what are they saying? what traditions does this belong to? has this occurred before in other cultures?


    baptists, animism, free association, speaking in tongues, veneration of consumer goods, black man as rebel, black man as rootsy, afro-futurism/consumer-futurism, bling as worship (pyramids, vatican, etc.) , brands as free mason symbols, subliminal messaging, vigilant citizen, historical prevalence of religious iconography as aesthetic reference points

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    what does ice and water mean to the collective subconscious?

    demons?

    zenith?

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    drill too has a whole liquid vocal palette, but about violence rather than jewellery: dip, wetted, splash

    drawn to the same vocabulary through completely different input and stimuli.


    "draw for the swords like shaman"

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    part of it is about how language and metaphor functions.
    one word stands for a multitude of things. they operate as symbols and all symbols
    are multidimensional.

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    it's always been part of music, at least as long as lyrics have been part of music.
    it's the condition of language. language always says more than the speaker intends.
    to pick one random example you can think of how power, electricity, voltage
    is talked about in rock (and roll) to stand for both amplified instruments, but more
    importantly excitement, charisma and libido.

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    i've got 4 explanatons and 5 hot take tangents.

    whoever gets the most wins the thread. points if you come up with other ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    language always says more than the speaker intends.
    crux of the thread.

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    the devil has been an omnipresent part of the mythos since robert johnson sold his soul at the crossroads.

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    art is always about the immaterial plane even when it is also (or ostensibly) about the material world.

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