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    Default How to Kill the Internet?

    I had an interesting conversation in a hipster espresso joint on the corner by Cambridge Heath with a veteran internet developer, who said she's bearing in mind the possibility of a coming world free of the internet, and worrying abut how the youth who can't even remember life before the internet will cope,

    apple, rural north carolina
    microsoft dublin
    facebook arctic data centre

    I think the big stacks are vulnerable - which will fall (first)?
    • Maybe not google, as it's like an hydra with so many disparate activities it must be hard to squish them all for good (android must die tho)
    • but fb already started considering their responsibilities, & that might guide them towards a better way to exist,
    • apple and twitter are vulnerable,
      • apple to its own monolithicness and isolationism ,
      • twitter to its inability to improve on it's original model, even now that it's over-extended and exploited.

    Maybe they are just the obvious targets, above the parapet of the sprawls and nebulae of online. But a juicy story or a single nicely timed meme could force a corporate offline, and just one click deletes the entire leviathan.



    What happens if/when it starts collapsing (or did that start already with 2.0, the centralised webs, the corporates, the onlining of everything into a useless chaos that lacks reasons to exist)? There are a deep assumptions inherent in our internet (cf dematerialisation thread): progress as a one way street, leading somewhere nice. i think all of that needs to be up for grabs?

    It seems hard to imagine now, that maybe it won't always be this way, and maybe it can't be, maybe we don't even want it to be. In fact maybe we need it not to be like this?

    So could that be why we need to imagine it quite urgently, maybe that would give us some power, which I think we really need???

    It would be interesting to spend some time back in the actual pre-intenet world, the rural uncapitalised zones of this planet, to try and relearn basic socialisation skills and coping strategies that we have already forgotten that we ever had, like how to meet up with no mobile phones.
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    Proposals for how we get started?

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    I don't have any answers to this but I love you Sufi and am sorry we didn't meet - although we may have done, which is tantalising, isn't it - but maybe we didn't but I love you and love you for posting this, this is the reason I love this place, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistersloane View Post
    I don't have any answers to this but I love you Sufi and am sorry we didn't meet - although we may have done, which is tantalising, isn't it - but maybe we didn't but I love you and love you for posting this, this is the reason I love this place, thank you.
    Your links don work doe so I don actually know what yr talkin about

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    Also I have to re log in every time I write a post here so the internet and certainly dissensus is pretty much dead to me anyway. Using Safari.

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    I've returned to a pre internet world by failing to pay my wifi bill. A very effective measure. It's been an interesting experiment.

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    Default My usual sermon follows....

    I don't think the internet as a whole sucks, but definitley (anti)social media on smartphones was the real bringer of doom. I am old enough to remember having to sit down at your PC/Laptop to do a cult-ish "log on", which ment people spent their online time better, more focused. Today, they are logged on to the Matrix 24-7 on their damn smart phones and then, it'S 90% (or maybe more) on social media posting and reading ephemeral crap.

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    sometimes you read about russian submarines carrying giant scissors, swimming around internet cables, waiting for a signal to cut it all up. but then you realize it's probably just western propaganda

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    I read this recently



    His assertion is that Google, Facebook, etc are too centralised, too monolithic to change and will fail as a peer-to-peer and blockchain-based internet 4.0 will replace them. "Value-subtracted" advertising will no longer be sufficient to finance their vast operations. Their AI is simply too ambitious and not good enough. Big Data doesn't map reality properly as it applies confirmation bias everywhere (this is what we believe to be the problem, here's the evidence from big data - oh shit, Trump was elected, what happened?). Privacy epicycles (passwords, passwords everywhere) make the whole thing unmanageable and fundamentally insecure.

    It's pretty good. He wrote life after television in 1985 which was largely correct.

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    this is now my new years resolution

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    Quote Originally Posted by yyaldrin View Post
    sometimes you read about russian submarines carrying giant scissors, swimming around internet cables, waiting for a signal to cut it all up. but then you realize it's probably just western propaganda
    I love that image. I really hope they do do it with giant scissors; anything else now is going to be a disappointment.

    I'm also waiting patiently for the heartfelt acoustic ballads about the age of the internet in years to come, people pining for "liking things when other people could see-ee-ee it" etc.

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    I dunno that it can be killed. I've heard rumours that ARPANET was designed as a nuclear strike-resistant command system, so God knows what's in place now, given the funding and technology available.

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