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    I think that what you had at acid house ground zero was a psychedelia and that is why people could escape the shells and the encrustations of social identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    actually they were all results of this integration that's now faded. white identity wasn't neccisary when they were around. they were the eminems and timberlakes of the uk.
    The integration of fused identity at impact site. In the heat of that collision. That's the utopia we've lost sight of.

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    precisely.

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    Dubstep and post Dubstep even more so was a very bad sin

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    white man's salvation





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    hipsterism wsa looking at the failure of dubstep and going "maybe i just didn't do ENOUGH homework!". it's the same failed mentality. but now it's so neurotic it's not even producing anything. just waiting. "maybe once i've listened to every single b side from the obscure 70's ethopian jazz funk label then i'll finally crack the code. i'll be able to say "bow bow" just like waka". he won't...

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    As a White Man musician what is your escape from this trap then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    As a White Man musician what is your escape from this trap then?
    in maybe 2012 i invented uk drill drums. that came from a scholarly place of 'lets combin 808-ish drums with jungle-dancehall hybrid rhythms'. the cruel irony is if i'd finished those tracks (i didn't) in a similarly derivative fashoin i would have missed the mark. the last thing i would have thought to do would be to add classical-type piano. that would have been far too white! but if i had, i may well be carns hill and he may well be on here talking to you.

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    as far as playing the drums my style is an unintentional hybrid of stuff like dancehall, drill and dancehall with more white things like keith moon, elvin jones and tony williams. in other words it's unintentional hipsterism.

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    THE GRAND THEORY:

    White Anglo-American civilisation coped with the civil rights movement and Windrush because:

    1) rock music was a legitimate white cultural identity

    2) there were white artists who were able to successfully appropriate blackness (elvis, jagger, dj hype, danny weed, kc of the sunshine band, eminem, timberlake, dem 2, michael jackson)

    rock music died in the early 90's. white people stopped being able to be black in the last 10 years.

    now you either have hipsters who don't produce any culture (they only consume it) and ed sheeran which is really embarrassing.

    that's why we now have trump and brexit

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    There's two separate ideas in this thread.

    The first is my sense of the hipster as a reassertion of class identity and class stratification in the wake of a relative dissolution of those identities and boundaries

    The other is bartys sense of the alt-right being product of the need for Whiteness to express itself as such, a need which was supplied previously and more benevolently, as Rock.

    Both ideas only half formed and susceptible to attack but both at least half true and worthy of discussion
    IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

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    how did whiteness express itself before rock music?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vimothy View Post
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    they were truly better times

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