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    Default Multiculturalismís gone too far

    It is now a hinderence to innovative new music.

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    Everyone looking at that gingerly like it's an unexploded bomb and keeping well away

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    agreed. It can only be innovative music for goldsmiths students who want to cling onto the dwindling aristocratic lines they have leftover from the 19th and 20th c. now it's time to create the unitary, invariant and monolithic world culture which will put an end to all kinds of existential angsty chatter and deplorable indie aesthetics. if we have multiculture we have to accept indie rock, emo rock, pop punk, maher zane, zain malik, nasheeds, sami yusuf, Brian Eno. death to multiculturalism, death to britain, death to farage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdform View Post
    agreed. It can only be innovative music for goldsmiths students who want to cling onto the dwindling aristocratic lines they have leftover from the 19th and 20th c. now it's time to create the unitary, invariant and monolithic world culture
    Iím actually arguing the opposite.

    Dancehall, afrobeats, afroswing, Ďtropicalí pop and even bits of rap all sound the same. It is this homogenised global music. I was in Greece when I first heard dua lipa and other similar pop and thought it was some Greek edm, it bore no distinct cultural identity.

    Iím arguing for everyone to retreat back into their isolated cultural foxholes and create their own distinctive aesthetics again. Only them can they be blended and fused once.

    The most innovative music of the 2010ís was also the most inwardly focussed culturally. That wasnít the case in previous decades.

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    yeh only one problem with that. english monoculture would be gatecrasher trance.

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    i mean the thing is trance is bigger than afroswing, it's bigger than dancehall, it's bigger than even jump up drum and bass, the english and dutch east India companies have been triumphant. Why are you trying to push a tendancy to victory when its already succeeded?


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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    Iím actually arguing the opposite.

    Dancehall, afrobeats, afroswing, Ďtropicalí pop and even bits of rap all sound the same. It is this homogenised global music. I was in Greece when I first heard dua lipa and other similar pop and thought it was some Greek edm, it bore no distinct cultural identity.

    Iím arguing for everyone to retreat back into their isolated cultural foxholes and create their own distinctive aesthetics again. Only them can they be blended and fused once.

    The most innovative music of the 2010ís was also the most inwardly focussed culturally. That wasnít the case in previous decades.
    But thats not multiculturalism, its a uniform aesthetic based on capitalist assimilation and regurgitation of local culture as commodity.

    This is a good illustration of the tend you describe actually. An incredible amount of Western influenced pop on global stations. I always end up back in West Africa.

    http://radio.garden

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    "The trick with JD is to wait patiently until LIGHTNING strikes...his mixes are more like mood sculptures anyway."

    That's british culture to a t. who wants to listen to mood sculptures in the club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by droid View Post
    But thats not multiculturalism, its a uniform aesthetic based on capitalist assimilation and regurgitation of local culture as commodity.
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    Don't often say this but think droid is making an important point here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    Iím actually arguing the opposite.

    Dancehall, afrobeats, afroswing, Ďtropicalí pop and even bits of rap all sound the same. It is this homogenised global music. I was in Greece when I first heard dua lipa and other similar pop and thought it was some Greek edm, it bore no distinct cultural identity.

    Iím arguing for everyone to retreat back into their isolated cultural foxholes and create their own distinctive aesthetics again. Only them can they be blended and fused once.

    The most innovative music of the 2010ís was also the most inwardly focussed culturally. That wasnít the case in previous decades.
    I think you'll have to wait till god topples this iteration of the tower of babel for that to happen. Or go native with an uncontacted amazon tribe cos failing that there are no isolated cultural foxholes. Everyone lives exactly the same life except maybe its jollof rice once a week in this household, biriyani in that. The homogenisation of experience is total.

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    Thirdform is such a romantic he wants to pretend that only the English have been stripped of a culture, as if everywhere else its hearty peasant stews and folk song round the campfire, wild gypsy dances till dawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    I think you'll have to wait till god topples this iteration of the tower of babel for that to happen. Or go native with an uncontacted amazon tribe cos failing that there are no isolated cultural foxholes. Everyone lives exactly the same life except maybe its jollof rice once a week in this household, biriyani in that. The homogenisation of experience is total.
    i was speaking relatively. drill's more monocultural than jungle and garage.

    mumble rap more so than timbaland-era rap.

    drill and mumble rap are more innovative than contemporary music that's more multi-cultural.


    white people only make black music now where they'd be better off trying to make sonically articulate whiteness in a way that's never been done before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    I’m actually arguing the opposite.

    Dancehall, afrobeats, afroswing, ‘tropical’ pop and even bits of rap all sound the same. It is this homogenised global music. I was in Greece when I first heard dua lipa and other similar pop and thought it was some Greek edm, it bore no distinct cultural identity.

    I’m arguing for everyone to retreat back into their isolated cultural foxholes and create their own distinctive aesthetics again. Only them can they be blended and fused once.

    The most innovative music of the 2010’s was also the most inwardly focussed culturally. That wasn’t the case in previous decades.
    Afrobeats is monocultural (not entirely given the different countries involved, but for the sake of argument) whereas drill isn't. Drill is a meeting place for two communities who have had a traditionally antagonistic relationship. Albeit they're coming together to literally kill each other rather than to party.
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