luka
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This is why Barty thinks you're secretly 45.
DJing is a right wing abomination
This is why Barty thinks you're secretly 45.
CrowleyHead
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*Adorno response*
luka
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I've not read it but he thinks jazz is jungle savage music right? What does he think about DJs?
CrowleyHead
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I'm being cheap but Third knows what I'm on about.
CrowleyHead
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No to be fair he's only encountering bad euro jazz so the origins don't even bother to fit into his comprehension of jazz. He's just gonna be looking at a bunch of German dudes playing swing badly and shaking his head in disgust.
But then you can have a dj as a detached signifier. the fade to mind/Oneohtrix Point Never internet music axis. dj for the atomised listener. It's not a norman jay or gilles peterson kind of connoisseur vibe. it's not about digging deep so much as having something vague to say about consumerism. honestly i really really do wonder how these people manage to keep this up on rinse/nts when everyone at their nights is fact mag people.
So we can break it down into three subtypes:
Rossi B and Luca - Give em What they want - this would be oneman and Jackmaster in the 2010s.
Tasteful techno dj - ben UFO.
nonspecific iphone club DJ - Fade to Mind on rinse...
And yet there seems to be a shared set of cultural values that are not shared by a bloke spinning a load of funk 45s for his mates or someone playing an anarchist-leaning warehouse/squat/whatever rave.
So we can break it down into three subtypes:
Rossi B and Luca - Give em What they want - this would be oneman and Jackmaster in the 2010s.
Tasteful techno dj - ben UFO.
nonspecific iphone club DJ - Fade to Mind on rinse...
And yet there seems to be a shared set of cultural values that are not shared by a bloke spinning a load of funk 45s for his mates or someone playing an anarchist-leaning warehouse/squat/whatever rave.
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CrowleyHead
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There's a deleted Kode 9 interview where he describes two types of DJs, the ones who service the people and provide good experiences and 'Hitchcockian' DJs who know their power to SUBJECT the floor to something and toy with that. Indeed, both these descriptions create and incredibly right-leaning view of relationships, as perhaps inevitably comes with every elevation of someone.
A weirder question is how does this pertain to someone like a Jeff Mills or a Theo Parrish who is deliberately warping or distorting their methodology with aesthetic choices. Certainly there's signifyers in their consumer actions as selectors but more importantly what does it say that they make their work more visible in the day and age of the quick selection.
A weirder question is how does this pertain to someone like a Jeff Mills or a Theo Parrish who is deliberately warping or distorting their methodology with aesthetic choices. Certainly there's signifyers in their consumer actions as selectors but more importantly what does it say that they make their work more visible in the day and age of the quick selection.
Mills is an interesting case study because sometimes he would play the same tracks twice in a two hour set and the repeat would not feel out of place.
CrowleyHead
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Supposedly that's a Ron Hardy trick. Hardy would play a song, not get the reaction he wanted, bring it back 15 minutes later, and then keep repeatedly plugging it until it hit the moment he got what he wanted from the crowd.
in fact mills record box hardly changed from 95-2000. It's not that he just played anthems, it's literally that he had a puzzle style of djing. in a very real sense he was the actual deconstructed club because every set would be a variation on the same, and yet through chance and variation create different. which in a way is like electric miles live recordings, albeit in this context we're talking in an extremely reduced form...
that would be an unspeakable heresy in a club today, even including amongst the liberal woke id politics crowd.
And yet simon could probably understand that some of the mixing on those early rave tapes is terrible. really bad. things out of place, out of key clashes, the lot. it is dj as pure utilitarian, not dj as character. this thread is talking about the dj as a character. even technical djs like ratty, randall and slipmatt clashed, cocked up etc etc. this isn't mere off night, those clashes would be unthinkable today. the music was not for djs.
Sure, but your right wing abomination has maxed out. you wouldn't be in this thread if it still had vitality. we're doing the autopsy here. settle down.
luka
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The Hitchcockian impulse I would not instinctively classify as right (or left) wing. There can be something sadistic in it, potentially but you can use the same understanding of, and toying with,structure and expectations to draw attention to these things, to highlight them, and thereby bring the unknown, the unconscious, into consciousness. To point out the ways in which music has conditioned us in the Palovian sense.
It's wrong to see this on a left-right spectrum. by right wing I am indicating an individualistic conservative attitude, not in opposition to a communist one, at best, in opposition to a welfare state one. communism goes beyond the rationalisations of the enlightenment, the left doesn't.
luka
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Good question. Did you make that up? They do come in disguise these gods, very often.