luka

Well-known member
I've only seen the first three so can't read this thread yet


The Dragonglass Shake (Zīrtom Perzomy Rholītsos)
Minted white chocolate custard topped with shards of Dragonglass

In keeping with our commitment to premium ingredients + thoughtful sourcing, the Dragonglass Shake is a prime example of the Wall-to-Table movement. Custard is frozen with packed snow harvested beyond the Wall and hand churned by members of the Night’s Watch. Final prep occurs in Winterfell, where the shake is topped with shards of Dragonglass imported from the caves of Dragonstone. Please note supplies are limited as the Wall is currently undergoing major renovations.

The Dragonglass Shake will be available at Shacks nationwide (excluding stadiums, ballparks, transit centers and airports) throughout the final season while supplies last, and the Dracarys Burger will be available at select Shacks while supplies last!
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Knowing in advance how many people hated the finale, I actually quite liked it. Yes, them letting Tyrion pick a king despite being a prisoner, and the other lords accepting it (and accepting Sansa's independence), didn't make much sense. But I liked that Bran's "brokenness" gave Tyrion the chance to initiate a new, *slightly* better form of rulership - although (in another bit I liked) he admitted to Jon that it might all have gone wrong in ten years. (And, given human nature, why shouldn't it?)

The scene with Dany I found surprisingly moving. I still don't think they satisfactorily explained her decision to kill innocents, but they got across her reforming messianic zeal, and also her loneliness. I didn't really understand why Drogon melted the throne, but I'm gathering that dragons are much more intelligent than they've been portrayed. It begs the question whether a dragon would have ever annihilated innocent people without its master commanding it so. Saying all this, I'm glad that wasn't explained, there's a certain poetic mystery to it. (The fact it took place in the hall of ash that Dany saw as snow in the prophecy dream helped underline that everything was somehow fated to happen).

Cersei and Jamie being in exactly the wrong place was alright with me, just a matter of creating a memorable scene and image. Did we want Tyrion rooting through a gigantic pile of bricks?

The new kings council table was a bit too comical for my taste, and the metabook an obvious nod to Tolkein (agree with version that it makes no sense Tyrion not being in it - perhaps it was showing that even now the "imp" would not be respected, would not fit into a heroic narrative?)

I suppose the wall remains as a defence against wildlings? Or is basically a Gulag. (Seen it pointed out online that with the Unsullied sailing off they could potentially have just pretended Jon had gone there.. also that Jon must have confessed the murder, since Drogon left with the corpse).

Really overall I think that the way the story has gone has been good, but the execution has been rushed. I was thinking during this episode that if the romance between Jon and Dany had been effectively done then it would have been a really tragic story. As it is, it was moving, but you didn't really get the full force of Jon's decision to kill her.
 
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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
One disappointment for me was that there really was no more explanation of the White Walkers. So perhaps they did exist in order to unite certain factions and divide others?
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Quite liked this Epilogue ("After the Wheel") written by a Reddit user

In the long years of his reign, King Brandon Stark was not loved by the smallfolk nearly so much as the quietude of his rule. Bran himself was a distant and near-silent king, with no taste for great celebrations or inspiring rhetoric. But when the Driftwood Queen demanded the independence of the Iron Islands in 313 AC, Bran granted it almost immediately; the expanded fleet that the Greyjoys had long laboured over had hardly left its harbours before the raven returned from King’s Landing. Dorne’s autonomy grew not with violence, but with carefully negotiated partnership, and though now Ornelia Martell is styled the Princess of Dorne, the Maesters of Oldtown would say that the lands beyond the Red Mountains are more closely entwined – through trade and goodwill – with the Five Kingdoms than ever before. It is said that, though the Seven Kingdoms became Six through the sacrifice of a million lives, the Six became Five without a single drop of spilt blood.

These years of calm saw the turn of seven long summers and seven mild winters. The external threats to Bran’s reign – the Braavosi blockade of 309, sponsored by the Iron Bank and facilitated by many mercenaries; the Second Crossing of the Dothraki Khalasar in 318; the Septons’ Rising of 331 or the coming of the Red Refugees in the decade afterward – seemed less desperate in comparison to the crises endured by King’s Landing in the warlike years before, as if an invisible hand were directing events, by slight nudges, toward the ends of stability and prosperity. Though terrible battles were rumoured in many parts of Essos, their effects were seldom felt in Westeros. One might also have expected some friction to arise from the King’s worship of the Old Gods, but Bran’s habits were so private, and his style of rule so tolerant, that for a time it seemed impossible that internal strife and religious discord could ever have been the hallmark of the Six – and then the Five – Kingdoms.

The absence of vengeful dragons surely helped. There are folk in Volantis who, in exchange for a cup of sweet wine, will tell the tale of their fathers or grandfathers catching sight of a great winged creature that obscured the waning moon in its eastbound flight, high above the city. Some of the Ghiscari traders who can now be so frequently found in Planky Town or Storm's End tell a similar story: that in the cold night after the death of the Dragon Queen, her last child, screaming with anguish, caused many a night-time watcher to return to their decks in great haste. Daenerys was carried far into the east, perhaps as far as the Shadowlands or the unknown forests of Ulthos. What became of her remains is not known. Some say the creature flew until fatigue brought it plummeting into deep, uncharted waters. Others suggest that reports of dragons - fleeting glimpses, disappearing livestock, bone-chilling cries in the lonely places of the world - are not always the product of fancy or hysteria.

Bran outlived every member of his original Small Council, and outlasted – as far as can be known for certain – every other Stark. Of his sister Arya, the Hero of Winterfell, little was ever heard again: she sailed West, beyond the reckoning and knowledge of all, within days of her brother’s coronation, leaving only the rumours that are shared and rendered into stories in every town of Westeros and Essos: of a single, ragged-looking Raven that flew out of a storm over the Western Sea decades later and on to the last high tower of the Red Keep, bearing a message whose contents were seen only by the King and his closest advisors. The tale that is most often told is that Arya reached the land that is West of West, and shared what details she could of the wonders and terrors she found there before meeting her own mysterious fate. What is certainly true is that, slowly and deliberately, Bran has been fortifying the Western coast of the Five Kingdoms throughout the latter part of his reign.

Sansa Stark, the Queen in the North, maintained strong relations with her brother’s kingdom and toward the end of her life was frequently to be found in the courts of King’s Landing or Dorne, having inherited from her mother a preference for the warmth. After her passing in 371 her bannermen selected Harrold Royce to rule the North.

Of the fate of Jon Snow – the Bastard of Winterfell, the Half-Stark, the Queenslayer, the Resurrected, the Friend of Wolves, twice named Lord Commander of Castle Black – very little is known. The Hand of the King, Tyrion Lannister, visited the North and the Wall in the first decade after Snow's return to the Night’s Watch. Of that visit he records that the Wall was all but unmanned, and that those who stood upon it were facing south, rather than north. The Hand was told that Jon Snow had, years earlier, gone forth with a great company of wildlings and northerners, disappearing into the dark forests of the Lands of Always Winter. Their exploration of those unmapped places are the subject of much conjecture: that Snow had been named the King Beyond the Wall, that he had made contact with the last enclaves of the Children of the Forest, that he was overseeing the settling of great underground cities among the twisting, interconnected roots of the Weirwood trees. It is said that the Greyjoys know something of those northernmost lands, and that Sansa Stark, before her death, knew more, but would not tell. The Lonely King, Bran the Broken, Bran the Bridgemaker, Bran the Wheelbreaker, surely knew more still – but in his quiet places and sanctuaries around King’s Landing, he seldom spoke a word, and to each successive Hand and Archmaester he entrusted fewer of his thoughts.

Finally, in 382 AC, at the start of his eighth winter, King Brandon embarked upon a final journey. He had aged but slowly in all the years of his reign, but age had come upon him nevertheless. His Kingsguard escorted him on the first leg of his journey – a secretive consultation followed by long weeks of contemplation or reading in Oldtown – and then took him as far as the Wall when at last he travelled North. After a night in the almost uninhabited Castle Black, Bran ordered the Kingsguard to return to Winterfell, and so on to the Five Kingdoms, where they were to supervise the selection of a new King of Westeros.

The last of the Starks then travelled North, beyond the wall, quite alone. The Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch reported that distant figures joined the King’s horse just before it disappeared into the treeline. No sight or word of King Bran has been heard in the long years since.

The winters are deeper now, and though King’s Landing is again fair and no great wars have troubled Westeros for many decades, some of the world’s wonder has diminished since the end of the time of Bran the Wheelbreaker.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
In the Guardian they suggested that Arya had gone West to where it was rumoured lie the Mountains of Spin-Off Series.
What are the seven kingdoms precisely? The North, Dorne, The Iron Islands.... what are the others?
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
The potential for spinoffs is endless. And actually I could get on board with that. I doubt you'll get scripts as good as adapting George R R Martin will get you, but I'd certainly be more interested in exploring this universe than the Star Wars universe.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, but if it has to happen - if capital dictates it - it could be decent.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
The potential for spinoffs is endless. And actually I could get on board with that. I doubt you'll get scripts as good as adapting George R R Martin will get you, but I'd certainly be more interested in exploring this universe than the Star Wars universe.

I'm not saying it's a good idea, but if it has to happen - if capital dictates it - it could be decent.
I dunno if I want to see a series with Arya heroically having an adventure every week. What I like about GOT is the intrigue and the real sense of jeopardy that you have that anyone could die. It's hard to see how that could fit into the show I've just described. Although I'll definitely watch it obviously.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
No I'd hate that sort of thing.

I suppose it's too much to expect of TV writers to hope for something as good as the first few series of GOT. But they do say that's where all the talent is going these days.

After all, who reads novels?
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Literally no-one obviously.
But there must be a way to make a good thing in the GOT world. I dunno, just basically pick a different time period or different place and have the same bloodthirsty conspiracy etc if the writing is good it would work.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
What disappointed me about the shows ultimate attitude towards magic and religion is that it wasn't just mysterious but actually ... Inconsequential?

I mean what was the lord of light stuff about?

Perhaps it's best that they didn't explain any of it but it was - like the white walkers stuff - never really explored.

And since the magic stuff was what least interested me throughout, this didn't help matters.
 

version

Well-known member
The three successor shows are all prequels. In the finale, Arya goes on to explore what's west of Westeros. Have you considered exploring sequels? Specifically, Arya Stark as she travels west of Westeros?

Nope, nope, nope. No. Part of it is, I do want this show — this Game of Thrones, Dan and David's show — to be its own thing. I don't want to take characters from this world that they did beautifully and put them off into another world with someone else creating it. I want to let it be the artistic piece they've got. That's one of the reasons why I'm not trying to do the same show over. George has a massive, massive world; there are so many ways in. That's why we're trying to do things that feel distinct — and to not try and redo the same show. That's probably one of the reasons why, right now, a sequel or picking up any of the other characters doesn't make sense for us.

(HBO programming president Casey Bloys)
 

luka

Well-known member
Yeah dunno about that final season. I admire versions commitment to nitpicking though.

Brienne doesn't allow the ink to dry before shutting the book.

But one he missed that did my head in is after they defeat the night King there's seven million corpses living around all over the place and next thing you know they've all been tidied up into a few small stacks to set on fire
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
My girlfriend said the same. But surely we can accept that the next episode was however long after the previous one that it takes to do that?
 

version

Well-known member
The Dothraki and Unsullied getting smashed by the dead then reappearing once the focus turned to King's Landing was odd too.
 

version

Well-known member
version!

you've been on the periphery for a while. come back to centre stage. it was much better with you there.

I considered making a thread on whether hypocrisy as a criticism holds any weight after seeing people's reactions to Messi diving in the Champions League, but I didn't get round to it.
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
I considered making a thread on whether hypocrisy as a criticism holds any weight after seeing people's reactions to Messi diving in the Champions League, but I didn't get round to it.

wicked thread idea. look forward to it.

probably have to wait till the whole josef k thing blows over annoyingly.
 
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