I mean you could be but I've suspected people much much closer to us for years so this would be an absolutely shit way to check up on me and would once again show the utter incompetence of turkish intelligence.
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I mean you could be but I've suspected people much much closer to us for years so this would be an absolutely shit way to check up on me and would once again show the utter incompetence of turkish intelligence.
sadmanbarty
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rate dissensians by how turkish they are? and elaborate on what kind of turk they are.
this may well be your finest hour. your magnum opus.
this may well be your finest hour. your magnum opus.
I mean if you did end up being one of those cat shaggers then the thing that would retroactively give it away to me would be your exalting of the drum kit. Turks just can't get over their machismo, no matter how hard they try. Kurds due to underdevelopment and feudal residues express more masculinity in public and with regards to their daughters but if those istanbulite fucks actually gave us feminism 101 courses in the 1950s then the kurdish feminin charm would be in full bloom now. of course they want to make us more masculine so that they can browbeat us with honour killings, that has always been their game.
sadmanbarty
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i can 100% guarantee craner masturbates to those all-female kurdish militias.
Well I would have to say that Corpsey certainly has the effete aegean air to him. champagne not raki. fish not liver or lahmacun.
But there are far too many lads lads lads neologisms in his patter. and he doesn't listen to nowhere near enough tango.
sadmanbarty
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luka's gulan
Please don't mention the name of that vile human being in my presence. About 10 times worse than Erdogan, he is. that's like shitting on luka's missus' sunday dress in public site. it's not funny.
ok, you can talk about him that's no problem but I like Luke too much for you to aim the worst possible insult at him.
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sadmanbarty
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i know he can be a bit cheeky on the forum, but luke's not that bad!
nah, I got you. in future the prefered insult is always son of a donkey. son of a whore if you want to piss off male feminists.
luka
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I'll tell you a funny thing about Craner, and this is 100% true right, in his 'wanking room' (he's got a special room in his house he reserves for wanking believe it or not. He won't wank anywhere else in the house. He says it's dirty) he's painted lines on the floor, like on a javelin field to measure 'spurt distance' and he has a little notebook where he records the results. I know, very strange.
sadmanbarty
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what don't you like about gulen?
sadmanbarty
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he'd add a little 'juice box' cover in the background, just for the jollies.
everything. half the future bureaucratic apparatus in the 70s in turkey was trained through his islamist teachings and his societal clubs (cemiyets) C pronounced as a j. most cops were gulenists for the longest time. they were some of the few people to run away scot free when the military clamped down in the 80s. virulent xenophobic fascist anti-kurd to the core and still in a fantasy land of trying to unite azerbaijan and the other turkic lands with Turkey. Even opened a lot of industrial facilities there during Aliyev times. anti-pkk not only on political grounds, they literally believe that they have no right to exist, even in neutered form in their ethnofascist state.
Make no mistake, the west is good at spinning this as the conservative muslim erdogan against the liberal muslim Gulen. Erdogan is a total shit, but without Gulen's state and industrial connections Erdogan had no chance. none. zilch. This is just a spoils conflict at the bottom of it. the religious stuff is just a window dressing. Gulenists are happy to side with the ultra-nationalists when it suits them, hence their hard on for meral aksener, a spin off from the trad turkish fash. to this day she's made no secret of still approving of burning down over 4000 Kurdish villages in the 90s.
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Many Kurds are anti-pkk though. Actually in Turkey a large majority not in Diyarbakir are. Urfa is a huge Kurdish city yet you won't find a lot of pro PKK sentiment there. why? well various reasons. Some people think they're a racket, others have internalised turkish state propaganda, others simply don't want the pkk acting all maoist gurilla and just wanna get on with their jobs, etc etc. Others still just cannot stand their open atheism, which, it has to be said is still a huge taboo in the east. all of these and other reasons can intersect.
I wouldn't say I'm anti-pkk but nor am I pro either. They are just another movement to make capitalism democratic. If I believed such a thing was possible then I would probably gravitate to a more pro-PKK position. given that I don't believe such a thing is remotely possible (with traditional socialist parties losing their working class support and the utter demise of trade unionism as a political strategy) in 2019, I just tend to advocate a hard class internationalism. Needless to say this means I tend to side more with luke in terms of politics. we can't play their game we have to break it worldwide.
The endnotes/autonomist thesis seems to be that yes, whilst the left is reactionary and counter-revolutionary, through the unfolding of their impossible and reformist demands the struggle will be pushed forward. this just seems to be a nice window dressing for western support for anti-imperialist movements. it's a nice palliative and little else. But actually the left, like the right is being rendered utterly irrelevant by technocratic nationalism. politics to most people these days just looks like naked ambition and little else. And that's always what it was, it's just that parties having huge social bases that would rubberstamp their policies in the 20th century served as a mechanism of the artificial division between head and hand to mystify this.
I wouldn't say I'm anti-pkk but nor am I pro either. They are just another movement to make capitalism democratic. If I believed such a thing was possible then I would probably gravitate to a more pro-PKK position. given that I don't believe such a thing is remotely possible (with traditional socialist parties losing their working class support and the utter demise of trade unionism as a political strategy) in 2019, I just tend to advocate a hard class internationalism. Needless to say this means I tend to side more with luke in terms of politics. we can't play their game we have to break it worldwide.
The endnotes/autonomist thesis seems to be that yes, whilst the left is reactionary and counter-revolutionary, through the unfolding of their impossible and reformist demands the struggle will be pushed forward. this just seems to be a nice window dressing for western support for anti-imperialist movements. it's a nice palliative and little else. But actually the left, like the right is being rendered utterly irrelevant by technocratic nationalism. politics to most people these days just looks like naked ambition and little else. And that's always what it was, it's just that parties having huge social bases that would rubberstamp their policies in the 20th century served as a mechanism of the artificial division between head and hand to mystify this.
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sadmanbarty
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what's something missing from turkish music you'd really like to see?
everything is missing from turkish music. In that bundle, with the exception of that erdal erzincan album it's all old pre-1980s stuff, hence the bad recording/mastering quality. turkish music has been dead for a long, long time. It is the worst music in the world today. utterly intolerable.
Listen to some yurdal tokcan if you want to hear the most lamentable politically quietist bourgeois sufi oud music. disgusting. all harmonic, all to impress that disgusting leisure class and people who have opportunistically adopted the mannerisms of the east in the west, putting on fake eastern accents and all.
This is why I will never forgive my parents generation. Those with some opportunities didn't work to develop a south east and eastern anatolian futurism. Anatolian rock, as fantastic as it was, was mainly the precursor of western turks getting in touch with their eastern side. But otherwise we let ourselves get bum raped by musicologists and historical music experts. this is how it should be, respect the tradition.
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this is utterly shocking. I once heard this stuff at my family friends wedding. believe me, I almost wanted to down two pints of raki in 10 seconds and sod the alcohol coma, but my family and the wedding hosts were teetotallers and strict muslims. of course I grew up with some of this shit on religious tv but hearing it for more than 5 minutes was sheer aural torture. my god, even handel is unbearably cheesy. this stuff is just prim. prim and proper.