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    Default Beyond Soul.

    I still think of Pattycakes invocation of 'soul' as the ultimate determination of value in music. A lot of us (eg Bartys pop music, thirds anti humanism) would disagree strongly. What is soul. When did we lose it? How did it happen and what are the consequences? What opens up on the other side- beyond the soul?

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    When people talk about music being 'soulful', they're not (I don't think) talking about the 'soul' in the religious or even philosophical sense.

    I think what they mean is either that ts authentically emotional, or they're referring in particular to 'soul' music - which is harder to pin down. I think most often people use when it's clearly directly descended from soul music.

    Also I feel like music that doesn't use either 'real' instruments or synths that sound like them isn't seen as soulful. So, yes - the opposite of mechanistic, manufactured. That's why you wouldn't describe either Carly Rae Jepsen or Autechre as soulful.
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    If I started a thread and someone wrote what I’m about to write I’d be pissed off. Threads are much better when people don’t resoundingly disagree with the underlying premise, but explore it instead.

    But to be a hypocrite, I don’t understand what you mean by pop music being anachronistic to soul? I thought it was soul in its purest form. What am I misunderstanding about your usage of the term?

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    Donít be disheartened, threads always have a bumpy beginning where everyone gets the wrong end of the stick and then they get good.

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    You'll have to do it alone for now sorry I just started eork. Just sort of guess what I mean if you can.

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    Pop is polished, airbrushed, engineered to the last millimetre, emotions smoothed out. It's the polished metal covering the grinding inhuman gears. The inhuman gears are industrial techno.

    Pop is also fundamentally adolescent or even pre-pubescent. It is about uncomplicated emotions - happy or frowny. Soul is about a complex mixture of happiness and frowniness.
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    Running with soul as Ďauthenticityí for a bit.

    In the 60ís people believed in music having the ability to effect change; civil rights, Vietnam, etc.

    Since then audienceí and artistís scopes have increasingly reduced.

    Weíve reached the point where some would argue that artists arenít saying anything. Empty, tokenistic gestures to a handful of well worn topics; guns, sex, dancing, love and drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luka View Post
    You'll have to do it alone for now sorry I just started eork. Just sort of guess what I mean if you can.
    Makes it fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post

    Weíve reached the point where some would argue that artists arenít saying anything. Empty, tokenistic gestures to a handful of well worn topics; guns, sex, dancing, love and drugs.
    Iíd counter that by arguing the thematic narrowness forces artists to be more creative elsewhere. Migos sticking to very rigid subject matter has forced them to develop the biggest innovation in us rapping since rakim.

    Bob dylanís Lyric centrism has meant he can produce music completely devoid of any emotional resonance or sonic merit.

    The best music of all time (jungle and post-72 mikes Davis) is by and large lyricless.

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    whoa whoa whoa Migos biggest innovation in rap since Rakim im sorry nah

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    Rapping, not rap

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    I dont think their that innovative in all honesty,i can see how people latched onto their style of rapping but like Chief Keef i get in terms of innovation certain people are re-evaluating Juveniles stuff since he put out that Gucci Mane obviously but Migos ill be real i cant see it and think the stuff some people credit them for is shit that memphis dudes with more tools in their arsenal did 20 odd years ago


    Weirdly i feel like Migos have alot in common with The LOX but they also strike as like answering the unasked question of "what if Das EFX had the spotlight a bit longer than they shouldve"

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    The welding of keef and migosís style at the beggining of the decade has produced a rhythmic language unprecedented in rap.

    It owes to three six, to lil jon, etc. But it definitely wasnít attained by them

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    Please not another thread about migos

    What IS of note is that innovation/futurism and soulfulness are somehow antithetical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corpsey View Post
    Please not another thread about migos

    What IS of note is that innovation/futurism and soulfulness are somehow antithetical.
    Fair enough.

    Very good point

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