We need third to come in and outline how, first and foremost, Autechre is dance music.
I hadn't, thanks.you heard William Fields, mvuent?
completely agreed.I'd say that for those making music in a DAW this is one of the hardest things to get right.
Polyrhythms are a good way to achieve this effect because you can have 2 simple one bar loops at say 7 beats and 5 beats that when played together will repeat after 35 beats giving a much more complex sequence. The rhythms phase in and out bending but not breaking and eventually resolving.
I'm not sure quite what to think of it. haven't heard much that actually sounds like it could live up to the 'rave' part yet but the potential is definitely there if the premise of this thread is right. I can see how the lack of relevant outside influences probably is part a big part of it (i.e. they're all nerds).The algorave stuff id find more interesting if it sounded good! It's all a bit random in a random way, I prefer music that has elements of chaos, in the sense of complex systems arising from a set of initial conditions and outside influences, which Id imagine autchres stuff is often based on as well.
the idea of 'resolution' in this kind of music is interesting to consider as well. in the case of polyrhythms you can get 'resolution' but for the most part I'd guess it's incompatible with those kinds of dramaturgical concerns. resolution implies that there's one correct / satisfying way for things to align, whereas the 'yearning' dynamic seems to rely on the opposite assumption.the rhythms phase in and out bending but not breaking and eventually resolving.
I think the question of how / where you hit limits to this effect is pretty interesting, the “balancing act” aspect to it. how far you can take the awkwardness / non-fixedness without losing the groove; getting to a point where it might be interesting in a detached, observational sense but doesn’t have the same ‘stretching’ visceral impact.anything goes as long as there's an anchor. sort of raises the question of what the formal "limits" are for this stuff. I'd say it's just perception-based. you can get away with anything as long as it doesn't break the groove (which goes back to the idea of stretching.) there are no "must" conditions in terms of form.
if its possible to articulate I’d be curious what do you think they’re doing "wrong" (for lack of a better word) that you get right (or try to) in your stuff?Very much into rescuing algorave from the nerds.
v interesting theory. would be interested in hearing more about this part in particular. I can see how things that seem chaotic could be more ordered than they appear, but this is a bit more difficult for me to think of.Things can still be minimal and seemingly highly structured but contain large amounts of chaos.