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    Should music critics be reading 'Wired' and 'New Scientist' in order to understand what music is about in 2019?

    "Instead of thinking about machine intelligence in terms of humans vs machines, we should consider the system that integrates humans and machines – not artificial intelligence but extended intelligence. Instead of trying to control or design or even understand systems, it is more important to design systems that participate as responsible, aware and robust elements of even more complex systems."

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/arti...d-intelligence

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    "Sentimentality is a superstructure covering brutality." (Jung)

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    "From the causal point of view Joyce is a victim of Roman Catholic authoritarianism, but considered teleologically he is a reformer who for the present is satisfied with negation, a Protestant nourished by his own protests. Atrophy of feeling is a characteristic of modern man and always shows itself as a reaction when there is too much feeling around, and in particular too much false feeling. From the lack of feeling in Ulysses we may infer a hideous sentimentality in the age that produced it. But are we really so sentimental today?

    Again a question which the future must answer. Still, there is a good deal of evidence to show that we actually are involved in a sentimentality hoax of gigantic proportions. Think of the lamentable role of popular sentiment in wartime! Think of our so-called humanitarianism! The psychiatrist knows only too well how each of us becomes the helpless but not pitiable victim of his own sentiments. Sentimentality is the superstructure erected upon brutality. Unfeelingness is the counter-position and inevitably suffers from the same defects. The success of Ulysses proves that even its lack of feeling has a positive effect on the reader, so that we must infer an excess of sentiment which he is quite willing to have damped down. I am deeply convinced that we are not only stuck in the Middle Ages but also are caught in our own sentimentality. It is therefore quite comprehensible that a prophet should arise to teach our culture a compensatory lack of feeling. Prophets are always disagreeable and usually have bad manners, but it is said that they occasionally hit the nail on the head. There are, as we know, major and minor prophets, and history will decide to which of them Joyce belongs. Like every true prophet, the artist is the unwitting mouthpiece of the psychic secrets of his time, and is often as unconscious as a sleep-walker. He supposes that it is he who speaks, but the spirit of the age is his prompter, and whatever this spirit says is proved true by its effects."

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    Isn't there a sort of sentimentality in this 'everything's awful and getting worse' mindset, too, though?

    It's somehow masturbatory. You can tell people enjoy it, like they're sniffing solvents.

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    And of course the sentimentality works backwards as well as forwards. Sentimentality over how things used to be. Things were terrible back then. Practically whenever it was!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadmanbarty View Post
    We have a mass cultural trepidation about the future (hence the rise of reactionaries like corbyn, trump, garage, etc.) which is only beginning to be accommodated by way of the infantile, human, inadvertent future.
    Best typo since the 'the evola virus'.

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    The 'soft, cuddly future' thing reminds me of nothing so much as the vision in WALL-E of a hyper-infantilized humanity with its every need and desire immediately provided for by the Buy'N'Large corporation. Luxury space communism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crowley View Post
    the way that 808’s very swiftly went from representing the future in rap (bombattaa et al.) to being just a default part of the landscape speaks to this phenomena. the rise of the south

    in terms of the future’s infantilisation, future swag is that in a nutshell. a “future” solely preoccupied with schoolboy humour and wish fulfilment
    Quote Originally Posted by john eden View Post
    it’s worth noting that while jamaica has been sonically futurist, that has not presented itself that way thematically very often. in fact even when you have dub (some of the most forward looking music of all time) there is a preoccupation with looking back to biblical times rather than any science fiction.

    Quote Originally Posted by leo View Post
    trump’s presidency is dystopia made manifest. he comes across like a character from some on the nose, near future satire from the 80’s. a bright orange narcissist reality tv star who becomes an authoritarian leader.
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    usually i’d spend 5 pages solidly berating you for liking something made after 2006, but this thread has suddenly made me realise our differences. as somebody who’s alienated and persecuted by society at large, notions of the anti-humanism and anonymity are a kind of salvation. they’re not just aesthetic ideas, but they’re future’s in which i’d be able to be comfortable for the first time in my life.

    this new future you’re talking about once again focusses on the individual. it is a future in which i will forever be anguished. what does this new future have to offer me barty?

    Quote Originally Posted by vim View Post
    this future you’re presenting is castrated and spineless. as such it speaks to liberalisms fundamental rejection of the real world. the momentum of history is sparked in the friction of societal conflict. war and conquest drove innovation. musical culture for the last 100 years has been about antagonistic ethnic and social groups defining themselves in opposition to one another. liberalisms condescending attempts to act as a kind of social lubricant and ease the friction between these groups only goes to nullify culture.



    Quote Originally Posted by luke View Post
    grime was the first instance of this inadvertent futurism in a uk context. it uses sonic language of the future, but firmly situated itself in the present.


    Quote Originally Posted by otherlife View Post
    i grew up with technology not only as socially-tilted, but to a large degree a surrogate socialisation. porn replaces sex. dissensus and twitter replaces friendship groups. i know the future more than i know the present.

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    Great comment from Leo there - Trump really is like a character from a Paul Verhoeven movie. An imaginary RoboCop 4 where the presidency itself is outsourced to Omni Consumer Products.
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    nice one leo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Tea View Post
    Great comment from Leo there - Trump really is like a character from a Paul Verhoeven movie. An imaginary RoboCop 4 where the presidency itself is outsourced to Omni Consumer Products.
    hmm...that must be a line I quoted from an article, doubt I'd have come up with something that profound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blissblog View Post
    in the 70's the future was 1983 a merman i'll be, now it's scrubbing one out to cardi b
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    What's this thread about then? Jung?

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    Quote Originally Posted by version View Post
    if you swear at siri, it'll get offended. you can ask it to tell you jokes. it is amiable. compare that to the psychopathy of hal in 2001
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    Is it futurism is overrated the remix?

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