Read Serious Poetry with me & Corpsey
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Corpsey
bandz ahoy
QUESTION: When you read an auld poem and it has, say an ABAB rhyming structure - but A is 'the blowing wind' and 'the thinking mind'... Are you supposed to pronounce 'wind' and 'mind' with the same vowel sound, so they do rhyme?
OBVIOUS OBSERVATION: Rhyme is a real problem for English poets. Rhymes are often quite shit in English poetry.
OBVIOUS OBSERVATION: Rhyme is a real problem for English poets. Rhymes are often quite shit in English poetry.
craner
Beast of Burden
Was probably as bad then, and quite a lot of people are still taken in by this stuff, but maybe more in the art world where any old bollocks will get taken seriously. Sadly it's behind the pay wall, but this evisceration of Edward Burne-Jones could have stood for the entire pre-Raphaelite gang.
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Are you behind that paywall? If so can you copy and paste?
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
I don't mind some pre raphaelite paitings
...
(after some google research)
I don't really like many either...
I like this one
https://fineartamerica.com/featured...-dead-which-were-in-it-frederic-leighton.html
...
(after some google research)
I don't really like many either...
I like this one
https://fineartamerica.com/featured...-dead-which-were-in-it-frederic-leighton.html
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
I often wonder if these are supposed to be subtle rhymes or if they're only 'subtle' because we pronounce words differently.
Corpsey
bandz ahoy
Sorry for the endless questions but
Would you say there are certain qualities that you look for in poetry that you find in those 10 poets? You once wrote on here that you despise Larkin. I wonder if there is a definition you have either consciously or not in your mind when deciding if poetry is good or bad, or if it's just a case of reading a poem like you'd listen to a song...
Would you say there are certain qualities that you look for in poetry that you find in those 10 poets? You once wrote on here that you despise Larkin. I wonder if there is a definition you have either consciously or not in your mind when deciding if poetry is good or bad, or if it's just a case of reading a poem like you'd listen to a song...
craner
Beast of Burden
No, and I almost didn't include him for that reason, but if Luke can have Rimbaud and Rilke, then I get at least one French poet, surely?
craner
Beast of Burden
I slogged through Peter Dale's translation of Inferno a long time ago, and hated it, literally could not go any further.
I have the Allen Mandelbaum translation on my shelf, which I have dipped into and looks much better. I am looking forward to reading all of it, although that may not happen until next year.
craner
Beast of Burden
Well, they are all very different poets, but there is definitely an emphasis on form, and unusual rhythmic, lyrical and syntactic effects. I have an aversion to the Romantics, as you can probably see, I don't care about the poem being a vehicle for someone's feelings or their amazing mind or personality. I like the use of language to convey and express moments, ideas or emotions in precise or surprising ways. There's an inherent difficulty and obliqueness to it. Sometimes sense is lost to sound, which can have its own new and invigorating effects and meanings (Hopkins, Loy). I like the idea of poems being either functional (Jonson's epigrams, Donne) or superficial/joyful (Frank O'Hara's 'I do this, I do that' rambles, Cummings) or beyond conventional norms (Loy, Pound, Cummings). I like the Tradition and the inherent narrative of its development and supersession - the seeds of self-destruction inherent in it. This doesn't explain why I loathe Larkin, at all, I realise.