luke asked me to post but i haven't got it in me to read 17 pages it is too sunny
anyway i got upto akkie listen and i think this thread is really missing about 7-8 years of south london rap lineage to actually understand how rap took over and then became drill tbh
i am an old man so i have more knowledge of south london rap i guess; simon78 could probably pipe in if he could be arsed
"post-grime" doesn't really work because in south london it all ran parallel; the first roadside gs gangsta grime tape is 2004. and curb on smash is a rap tape mate, don't care. same year as the first pdc tape
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(not necessarily that good but pdc are pretty significant in all this and not talked about in these conversations)
everyone was making rap at the same time as early grime but south london ran with it. when i lived in catford it wasn't like you heard grime coming from the cars
2005 is the first giggs tape- bloody raw- with the sn1 tapes the year after that. 2007 you had young spray- realer than most, ard bodied (!), hollowman meets blade. peckham young guns the second generation of the sn1 stuff, so killa ki was a younger really.
the PYG lineage
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all the crystal meth/fix dot'm/krept & konan murder 1 is like 2010, and when people really started talking about
so when people look at "early" road rap really it's already a scene that's been floating about for 7/8 years
sneakbo was already third wave of south london rap, and it's all that brixton gear that birthed afrobeats really. but listen to best of giggs 1 & 2, there's double-time ragga tunes because that's where it comes from
really the continuation of drill these days could be called a south london rap continuum if you really want to be a wanker about it. it's true though. i'd also argue this internal south london scene was basically over by the time look what the cat dragged in etc came out.
young mad b birthed the afrobeat sweetboys etc
