sadmanbarty
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Jungle, Garage Rap, Grime, UK Funky, Road Rap and Drill are all Dancehall.
Here's why.
Here's why.
Unified Field Theory of Tresillo
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sadmanbarty
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Back beat
Most music we hear has emphasis on the back beat (the 2nd and fourth beat of each bar). For example:
https://youtu.be/MvJX8DGkOLo
Most music we hear has emphasis on the back beat (the 2nd and fourth beat of each bar). For example:
https://youtu.be/MvJX8DGkOLo
sadmanbarty
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Tresillo
Dancehall is unique in that it’s principal rhythm isn’t the backbeat, but rather tresillo rhythms:
or in the last 10 years, clave rhtyhms like this (punnani for the first half of the bar, and a backbeat for the second half):
When you hear those emphasis outside of dancehall they’re often with a 4x4 kick, so it truly is unique to dancehall to have them presented on their own.
Dancehall is unique in that it’s principal rhythm isn’t the backbeat, but rather tresillo rhythms:
or in the last 10 years, clave rhtyhms like this (punnani for the first half of the bar, and a backbeat for the second half):
When you hear those emphasis outside of dancehall they’re often with a 4x4 kick, so it truly is unique to dancehall to have them presented on their own.
sadmanbarty
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The UK
Due to our demography in the UK, dancehall informs our urban music. Many of the rhtyhms of the hardcore continuum are derived from those dancehall rhtyhms.
Sometimes it’s the exact same rhythm as punnani:
or that clave rhythm:
or the one over 4x4:
Due to our demography in the UK, dancehall informs our urban music. Many of the rhtyhms of the hardcore continuum are derived from those dancehall rhtyhms.
Sometimes it’s the exact same rhythm as punnani:
or that clave rhythm:
or the one over 4x4:
sadmanbarty
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Now the next bits are a bit complicated and i have to go do something, but i'll finish it off later.
luka
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Cmon son the lads are waiting
sadmanbarty
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Yes, soca is tresillo over 4x4 kick drums
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Post-Dancehall
The UK uses these rhythms as a springboard for other things. They move beyond the templates established in dancehall while retaining the underlying tresillo rhtyhms.
So now I’ll through examples of the complicated, convoluted, hidden and subtle ways in which these types of tressillo rhythms are presented in UK music.
The UK uses these rhythms as a springboard for other things. They move beyond the templates established in dancehall while retaining the underlying tresillo rhtyhms.
So now I’ll through examples of the complicated, convoluted, hidden and subtle ways in which these types of tressillo rhythms are presented in UK music.
sadmanbarty
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UK Funky
0.00- Punnani for the first half of the bar. Tresillo over 4x4 for the second.
2.00- 1st half of the bar is tresillo over 4x4, the second has punnani kicks
3.55- This is a bit complicated to explain this one. Essentially punnani isn’t just a tresillo looped. It actually cuts short at the end. This beat doesn’t cut it short and lets the tresillo do one full loop over a 4x4 kick.
5.20- Tresillo over 4x4
6.10- Tresillo over 4x4
8.00- 1st half of the bar is tresillo over 4x4, the second is punnani
9.44- That’s the same as 3.55
11.45- Another complicated one to explain. One bar of the tresillo doing a full loop. Then a bar where it trips up at first, so the tresillo stars at a different point in the bar.
Etc.
0.00- Clave
2.20- Tresillo over 4x4
5.55- Fully looped tresillo over 4x4
7.00- Tresillo over 4x4 for the first half of the bar
10.15- Tresillo over 4x4, plus tresillo ride cymbal as well.
12.15- Punnani kicks in a one drop rhythm
etc.
0.00- Punnani for the first half of the bar. Tresillo over 4x4 for the second.
2.00- 1st half of the bar is tresillo over 4x4, the second has punnani kicks
3.55- This is a bit complicated to explain this one. Essentially punnani isn’t just a tresillo looped. It actually cuts short at the end. This beat doesn’t cut it short and lets the tresillo do one full loop over a 4x4 kick.
5.20- Tresillo over 4x4
6.10- Tresillo over 4x4
8.00- 1st half of the bar is tresillo over 4x4, the second is punnani
9.44- That’s the same as 3.55
11.45- Another complicated one to explain. One bar of the tresillo doing a full loop. Then a bar where it trips up at first, so the tresillo stars at a different point in the bar.
Etc.
0.00- Clave
2.20- Tresillo over 4x4
5.55- Fully looped tresillo over 4x4
7.00- Tresillo over 4x4 for the first half of the bar
10.15- Tresillo over 4x4, plus tresillo ride cymbal as well.
12.15- Punnani kicks in a one drop rhythm
etc.
sadmanbarty
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Grime
0.30- A back beat followed by a punnani
4.10- That quarter not emphasis is tresillo
8.15- One bar of backbeat followed by one bar of clave
8.30- This is great. It’s two tresillos overlapping each othe. The 2nd tresillo beginning on the last note of the 1st one.
11.50- Half a bar of backbeat, followed by half a bar of tresillo
12.45- Half a bar of backbeat, followed by half a bar of tresillo
etc.
1.50- Clave
3.45- Clave, but with some of the notes in the middle removed
4.45- If you listen in half time it’s actually a tresillo over 4x4. But then you also have tresillo kicks at the proper speed as well.
5.50- Another half speed tresillo over 4x4
7.30- Clave
18.20- Half time tresillo bass growls with noral speed tresillo hi hats
etc.
0.00- Backbeat followed by tresillo
2.20- Calve
11.30- Half time tresillo
13.00- That Jon E Cash one I poste upthread
16.22- Tresillo kicks on a one drop
etc.
0.30- A back beat followed by a punnani
4.10- That quarter not emphasis is tresillo
8.15- One bar of backbeat followed by one bar of clave
8.30- This is great. It’s two tresillos overlapping each othe. The 2nd tresillo beginning on the last note of the 1st one.
11.50- Half a bar of backbeat, followed by half a bar of tresillo
12.45- Half a bar of backbeat, followed by half a bar of tresillo
etc.
1.50- Clave
3.45- Clave, but with some of the notes in the middle removed
4.45- If you listen in half time it’s actually a tresillo over 4x4. But then you also have tresillo kicks at the proper speed as well.
5.50- Another half speed tresillo over 4x4
7.30- Clave
18.20- Half time tresillo bass growls with noral speed tresillo hi hats
etc.
0.00- Backbeat followed by tresillo
2.20- Calve
11.30- Half time tresillo
13.00- That Jon E Cash one I poste upthread
16.22- Tresillo kicks on a one drop
etc.
sadmanbarty
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Jungle
Set the youtube settings to 1.25 speed and hopefully you’ll hear all the tresillo. If not I can offer assistance
Set the youtube settings to 1.25 speed and hopefully you’ll hear all the tresillo. If not I can offer assistance